Your views on Islam

[20/20vis]

In light of the whole controversy surrounding the Pope's comments and other world affairs, I'm curious to know what people of other faiths think of Islam as a religion and of Muslims as people.

[optikaL`]

I think the same as I did before the entire thing - that theres a huge problem with the current Muslim leaders. If, I as a white man, watched a black man be lynched and not say anything either during or after the fact, wouldn't that make me just as guilty as those committing the act? Muslims sympathizers want to preach how these extremists are a minority, which I agree that they are, but where's the public outcry by other Muslims in power? Their silence doesn't give a good impression to the rest of the world.

Lets break it down.

A Catholic leader speaks about Islam - Nuns are shot, churches burned.
A Muslim leader calls the US the devil, etc - Nothing happens.
An Islamic group kills thousands - Nothing against everyday citizens.

So the Pope QUOTED a 14th century Byzantine emperor and what do these extremists do? Go out and prove that very quote to be 100% true.

Pope Benedict XVI said Tuesday that Islamic holy war was against God's nature and invited Muslims to join in a peaceful cultural dialogue.

And he's supposed to be the bad guy?

Most Muslim extremists, and I'd bet most Muslims altogether, like to judge us by OUR leaders' speech and actions, so shouldn't we judge them by their leaders' lack of any?

[Phade]

where's the public outcry by other Muslims in power? Their silence doesn't give a good impression to the rest of the world.

That type of point is being made all the time in England by an increasing number of commentators, and rightly so. In general, the British Muslim community's way of dealing with the minority who suport terror (including those born and raised in England) seems to be largely silence; like if it's ignored it might go away. From talking to people I know who are Muslim, the common viewpoint seems to be slight denial. As in, they feel they are no more associated with the Islamic extremists than any other English person, which is justified to a certain extent, but ultimately flawed in that these people all call themselves Muslims. The simple fact is that there is a small number of Muslims growing up in our communities who are becoming increasingly polarised and extreme in their beliefs. It's all of our responsibility, but especially the responsibility of the Muslim communities these extremists are growing up in to identify and counteract these beliefs.

[GhettoDavyHavok]

Damn, these religions! I know of what the Pope said. Even though everyone already knows that these religions don't like to come together, but, although I believe we should speak our minds, I think the Pope should have just not said is because it just starts trouble. But hey, that's how they feel about eachother. I see some of your views. Yes, Islam is evil to the Catholics and all, and Catholic is evil to Muslims. Good and evil. Both religions have different perceptions.

[run]

does your views on charles manson change your views on christianity? or any other christian extremists?

belief in eachother needs to replace eachothers belief in god.

[azy]

Maybe people should start thinking about people more.

My girl is Iraqi and i argue with her for hours that now i have lost all sympathy for the Iraqi people, because they're the ones, invariably, blowing each other up! Maybe religion needs an injection of humanity.

Some Muslims seem to believe its okay to hate on other people for whatever reason, as long as SOMEBODY can find a way to interpret the Qu'ran so that this hate can be justified. It's all bollocks.

Humanity is the future. Like that Amish community who prayed for the guys soul and comforted his father, shit like that puts those people on another plataeu to people who would blow someone up for what they believe in, not least how they act.

[Avatrin]

Originally Posted by Phade

That type of point is being made all the time in England by an increasing number of commentators, and rightly so. In general, the British Muslim community's way of dealing with the minority who suport terror (including those born and raised in England) seems to be largely silence; like if it's ignored it might go away. From talking to people I know who are Muslim, the common viewpoint seems to be slight denial. As in, they feel they are no more associated with the Islamic extremists than any other English person, which is justified to a certain extent, but ultimately flawed in that these people all call themselves Muslims. The simple fact is that there is a small number of Muslims growing up in our communities who are becoming increasingly polarised and extreme in their beliefs. It's all of our responsibility, but especially the responsibility of the Muslim communities these extremists are growing up in to identify and counteract these beliefs.

I totally agree with u.. Most muslim leaders are in denial, and I KNOW it's true.. Even though I am an agnostic, my whole family are muslims, and I used to be a muslim myself. I've SEEN imam's disassociate themselves with, for example, their family members who supports extremists.

[Christ]

I say less grind it out. Who ever wins .....wins.

These muslim extremist are getting support from other non-extremist muslims. Its like they agree with some stuff- But not everything (straddling the fence). It aint about religion to me. Its bigger.

Its jealousy.

[Plot]

Religion is crap. Basically an excuse to have a point of view without anything to back it up.
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Personally I like some of Islams policies I just dont agree that they should be imposed on people

[8th]

^just because you do not believe in Religion, doesnt mean its crap.

[Plot]

Well, sorry if ur offended.
Being that the complete base of all religions is artifical & has nothing to back them up.
As in, they have NO PROOF whatsoever to what they are, I disregard them entriely.

[run]

i dont knock faith. i knock the way religions abuse peoples faith.

[PeterParker]

Originally Posted by Plotter

Well, sorry if ur offended.
Being that the complete base of all religions is artifical & has nothing to back them up.
As in, they have NO PROOF whatsoever to what they are, I disregard them entriely.

you just sounded completely retarded....just becuase the bible or a quoran (sorry if i mis-spelled) isnt thought of as an actual history book, doesnt mean that its not. When we give these holy books their names people tend to think that they are a bunch of made up bullshit by old white men with long beards. I have read a lot about christianity, I have read a lot about buddhism and I plan to read a lot about islam and I can tell you cuzo, that a lot of this stuff is fact, not fiction....there were scholars in india, asia, egypt, europe, etc. who were actual historians that have taken written acounts of what they ACTUALLY see or have saw...these documents were later transfered to the holy books we now have wether it be the quoran or the bible..or any other holy book. The basis of it all is based on a belief and faith in a higher divine being, or means of explanasion. But even more, its a means to explain what no scientist, teacher, or philosipher can....life. Mysteries of the universe, the concepts of time and space. That is all based off of scientific theory....just becuase a scientist says its true, doesnt make it true. They act on a hunch or a personal thought. Nothing is based on complete fact. consider that.

oh and honestly...aside from the extremists and whatnot...Muslims are a great group of people. I am defined as christian but there are times where I question my religion becuase some buddhist beliefs or muslim beliefs hit home better with me than traditional christian beliefs. I think that christians are thought of as clean and the christian people think too highly of themselves, wich could be considered sinful. Christians are hypocritical, and very very judgemental. I am christian and I can even say this...christians think that since they are devout and think of themselves so highly that it gives them the right to do Gods job for him...they start to judge people. Make false reservations against other and even more so other religions. I dont want to offend any christians on RF becuase, remember, I am christian too. I just think that subconsiously we let our egoes overshadow our sight and we become the opposite of what God wants us to be. And I just wanna say that NO ONE has the right to redicule anyone elses religion, NO ONE. No preacher, pope, NO ONE. Becuase, until we die, no one knows what religion is the truth. Thats why with religion come FAITH.

[Plot]

The basis of it all is based on a belief and faith in a higher divine being, or means of explanasion. But even more, its a means to explain what no scientist, teacher, or philosipher can....life. Mysteries of the universe, the concepts of time and space. That is all based off of scientific theory....just becuase a scientist says its true, doesnt make it true. They act on a hunch or a personal thought. Nothing is based on complete fact. consider that.

Dont be a moron.
Scientists dont use faith to explain their theories, they use COMPETE FACTS.
& there has never, ever been a shredd of evidence that points to
the existence of a divine being or creator.

[GhettoDavyHavok]

Originally Posted by Plotter

Well, sorry if ur offended.
Being that the complete base of all religions is artifical & has nothing to back them up.
As in, they have NO PROOF whatsoever to what they are, I disregard them entriely.

I am not religious either and I put more of my beliefs in the scientific shit, BUT even though there is no good proof to back this stuff up, there is a possibility that this shit can be true. There is! It does sound crazy and all, but we really don't know. How this Earth was made and all, we really don't know. I do believe more into how scientist made theories of how the Earth was made other than believing Adam and Eve, this Jesus Christ doing all this stuff, Moses and his little water thing going on to cross people, Shiva the destroyer/lord of the dance/ sexual power, whatever.

Even though some things sound crazy, people are entitled to their belifs of how this Earth came about. These fossil records and all (I believe I have already shared this on some other forum about religion) that, according to this girl in my class, that God could've put them there to test to see who believes and who doesn't. Hey, I don't believe that either, but it's a possibility. It may not have some scientific proof, but it's quite possible.

It is okay to disregard these religions. I respect everyones opnions here. I disregard them too, but I will know the truth of heaven and Hell when I am dead, which basically, I am like 99.9% thinking that science is totally right. I do say there is nothing after life, but I cannot determine that because I ain't dead yet. When the journey to death finally ends, we will know the truth.