when does a gangsta rapper have to stop shooting?

[loubez]

When I was comming up on this rap shit there was never really any debate about who did what in real life and who didnt.....people really didnt argue about if Ice T was putting in work, or if spice one was filling body bags like that for real. But now, especially on these boards, I hear and read a lotta complaints about rappers not really shooting or slangin or whatever. Im interested to see some of ya'lls take on this shit.

Personally i didnt throw my copy of "the chorinc" out the window when i couldnt find proof that Dr Dre really was decapitating mufuckas in real life.

[Mistuh Grippz]

Well shit should be at least loosely based on ya life. I can understand creative expression but at least have a basis for what you're speaking on. It's kinda like a 50/50 thing because obviously these "trap rappers" aren't really touchin work anymore and if they are they're fukkin retarded. At the same time, mufukkas better be able to back the shit they claim up if not they're gonna be looked at as fake. I don't fukk wit mufukkas who are fake, so I can't appreciate their music. It bothers me when an artist gets exposed for being completely opposite of what they portray. It's like I wouldn't listen to an NY rapper talkin bout ridin in Impala's on 24's cuz niggahz in NY don't slide like that.

[run]

theres no real answer to this question becaue rap fans are way too fickle.

take 50 cent for example. when he details his street life in his raps, hes called a snitch. when he doesnt, hes called fake.

from what i can tell, rap fans dont know what they want. the only certainty is that what they want has to contain drama. This leads to publicity stunts, fake beef etc etc etc. the ugly side of the rap game seems to sustain it.

good post.

[Noggah]

i think its better if they dont really shoot or slang... sends a bad message... too many shootings happen over such trivial shit... you aint never seen Eminem do 1 % of the shit he says... but people know he's a psychotic motherfucker who would do that shit if pushed...

i dont really like the rap thats all like "im a banger and a slanger"... fuck that shit... i like wittiness and wordplay... something that has actual thought put into it... and i think its more not what the people have done... but more what they are capable of that plays a factor...

but then people are just fuckin stupid in general... and listen to that stupid shit... so who knows...

[run]

ill add to my original post and say that good music, is good music. as you said, you didnt throw your copy of the chronic away because it "wasnt all true", because its a goddamn classic. all rappers are looking for a form of legitimicy to appeal to fans, but it makes no sense to sign a million dollar record deal and then go and shoot someone just to prove a point.

Once again, rap fans are just as interested in what a rapper is doing outside the studio as they are in it. This is where rap differs from just about every other music genre. It really is born from the streets. If Lupe Fiasco pulled a Britney Spears and went crazy, nobody is gonna buy his records ever again. Britney Spears however could walk in the studio today, and millions of people would wanna hear what the result is. Rap is unforgiving like that. And in some way or another, its to its own benefit.

[Sideshow Bob]

How can a nigga point fingures at his favorite rapper for not really doing the shit he's talking about, the shit you've practicaly memorized start to finish, but in all actuality, you aint done that shit either, so who the fuck are you to complain about this mindstate hip-hop provokes?

Dumb fucks.

They bitch if you're not doing it.
And then that rapper goes and does some shit, like TI, and then everyone's like TISK TISK. That nigga did wrong. I can't believe a rapper would want to do some stupid shit like that. What was he thinking? And at the same time they're listening to some Kool G Rap classics.

[Simagine]

Personally when I started to listen to hiphop I was found of all that hard body shit like Mobb Deep was talking about in their first albums, "The Infamous", "Hell On Earth" etc. But now I don't search for that in rap anymore. Give me real life stories à la Joe Budden anyday. He spits the REALEST shit ever heard everybody who ever had a though time can relate to. Aint no topping that. And of course the good music that just makes you think about the more enjoyable things in life.

Very good thread. Think I'll might sticky this.

[Fero Blaque]

Originally Posted by Simagine

Personally when I started to listen to hiphop I was found of all that hard body shit like Mobb Deep was talking about in their first albums, "The Infamous", "Hell On Earth" etc. But now I don't search for that in rap anymore. Give me real life stories à la Joe Budden anyday. He spits the REALEST shit ever heard everybody who ever had a though time can relate to. Aint no topping that. And of course the good music that just makes you think about the more enjoyable things in life.

Very good thread. Think I'll might sticky this.

Hits the nail on the head my man Sim, although "Mobb Deep" were alot deeper then you might think. See, In a so-called 'project' (Housing-project a.k.a ghetto) everyone Is mentally disabled. Don't get me wrong they're not a bunch of retards, but there's a certain lifestyle that leads to a certain mindstate resulting Into manic-depression and paranoia.

Combine those two, with the alcohol and where drugs flood the neighbourhood, and you get a bunch of careless killers walking around all carrying firearms. I've been there man,

You hear rappers talking like 'Try 'n shoot me I don't give a fuck just bust back" ... and It's just how you feel. It's a surreal world where everything seems to be permitted, you start to grow to your early-20's and from that point on you lost feelings and emotion. You simply don't give a fuck about anything.

When you don't trust a friend of yours you smack him on the head, as over here It's so easy.. they play with humanlives and due to paranoia It's a kill or be killed situation to them. You kill a person, dead on. If you don't, they might just murder you. That's why loyalty Is SO Important and essential.. alot of kids died for false reasons as some paranoid homeboy shoots him In the head. It's a vicious circle.

You CANNOT blame a rapper who starts making money and moves out of the 'hood' because you don't really want to be there. Talk to any rapper from any hood on a Sunday morning, they don't want to live the fastlife 24-7 but they are forced to do so. Nobody fears anybody, It's a big fucking circus.. they're litterally In a trap. See, ghetto dudes aren't like other people..It's the way they learned to live life and the vast majority suffers from mental problems but It's not acknowledged. Absolutely abnormal to you, but daily life to us.

And as soon as you start to lose your feelings and go numb, you're In the dangerzone. You get cocky.. man you cannot Imagine how this weird shit really works.

[BeigeAkaIssueZ]

I really shoot people...lol....



But its my occupation, so that doesnt count.... or does it ?

Doesnt matter, I dont make alotta gunplay rap songs any way.. no need to.. but whatever floats ya boat.

But you here some gun punchlines from me.. please believe, thier legitimate.

[Grimemaster]

Guns and violence sells records tho init. Thats how sik the world is.

[loubez]

my whole thing is that its entertainment....when NY was doing all that mafia shit i was deep into to it, like you listen to that "mo money mo murder" shit, that ain't ever happen to no one in the game aaaaaand its silly lyrical so why not put it up on a pedestal?

to me the whole idea of a RAPPER having to have some kind of violent or criminal backround to make some gangsta rap is fucking stupid...they aint run pachino's rap sheet before he did scarface.

Dre is my favorite example of this cuase he used to say some outlandish shit, then get interviewed by Kurt Loder and he'd be laughin like "hell naw man, im a RAPPER i aint no GANGSTA".

I think somewhere between niggas in my generation and the generation after mine (ages 22-19) this gangsta rap shit got twisted and people really started buying into to what these guys were saying, and by doing so created a need for these industry niggas to try to really live out this tough guy image.

1990 - 1996 rappers werent in central booking like they were now, and the music was much more powerful with an actual anti establishment meaning. Now these niggas talking bout "im gettin money for me and killing niggas too" catching all types of dumb cases why? cause alot of these young nigggas bought into this shit and now these industry guys wanna carry pistols and shit, prove they gangsta cuase you got mufuckas who grew up with silver spoons talking bout "them niggas aint real, they gotta be real for me to fuck with they music."

the shit is kind of irritating, and it comes in all ways like when a nigga who never heard Jay-z before 2001 wanna talk about oh that nigga fake but Big L is the MAN. meanwhile they had similar rap sheets before they got on.....CLEAN ones!

its entertainment, like movies and books, dont be fooled.

[Sideshow Bob]

Rah... Nigga you must of been Sigmund Freud in another life coming with some shit like that. I nominate that as the WHITEST explanation on why we live this way. Explaining what a project is... rofl. But some of of your points made has been peace and word since our elders. This mindstate is... incredible. Hip-Hop is what you and I want it to be. Some are genuine with it, but for most of us, this is just the fundamentals. An actor can't be transformed into a rapper and be successful, but you can turn actor from rapper and everything will be all good. It's all about the come up, your strive. Whether you make it in easy and simply make some ridiculous shit in today's world for the middle class kids that will pay, or the niggas you hold down, but know they can't afford to purchase your shit. It's like when Lupe writes some shit about what we do, that shit sounds forced and his image can't be associated with the portrait painted, ya dig. I aint gonna listen to some white boy talking about thug life. It just aint bumpin. I can't take him serious, ya know. So of course it matters. But you can't just judge a nigga if he does or doesn't have a criminal record. If the face fits the persona, do you. That's all it is. Even if Dre never did that shit, you still believed the hype he spilled, couldn't you? And fuck that bull shit about industry niggas being a tough guy, very few of em act like that. Like Who? You'd probably only be able to list the New York niggas. That's because it's the IMAGE. It's the mindstate we are in. The South is different with it. And for Loubez's last comment, if a nigga only heard Jay-Z post 01, they probably never even heard of Big L. Quit being silly.

[Fero Blaque]

I'm right though, what makes a rapper different from any other black person living In the projects ?

There are no angels In the projects, music simply Is a grind. Why don't they sell rocks ? yo, why doesn't the heron supplier rap ? It's whatever you chose. I firmly hold onto my beliefs saying mental illness causing certain situations In the black community. We're talking about crime here Bob, not why did a rapper become a rapper and he can be converted Into an actor. It's not THAT lucrative son.

A black rapper raised In the ghetto Is a black man In a ghetto, you cannot dodge the shit that's going on with your eyes. He's seen It, he will talk about It. It's not that strange, If you're living In the projects you can't tell me you've never fired a pistol or never witnessed shootings ? You can talk about It now, everybody does the same shit.. very few are 100 % sin-free so to speak.

[Tommyknocker]

Rah summed it up real good. You broke it down real well, that´ s how shit is..

It´s a perpetual negative cycle that´s being fuelled by the inequalities within society,
the politics an policies that´s bein implemented, and that directly and effectively has a great and decisive impact on people
and they´re everyday life in "the hood" the projects, the slums, and what-have-you..



As far as this real and not real, fake or authentic, real Mccoy or str8 perp.

It´s a whole deep and very nuanced topic in itself, but to make it simple and in short,
I´ll say this:

As far as what one writes about, what you´re portraying lyrically, what you write about/rap about, One HAS to have some relation, connection to, or experience of what one writes about.

If you for example were to say, I chop mc´s headz like kids in cuba cuttin cane..
I personally wouldn´t call you fake, if you in fact had never cut anyones head off..

There is such a thing as simply gettin lyrical whiddit, and obviously it all depends on the subject matter. If a dude writes a bugged out, off the wall verse, about smokin blunts with marsians,
I wouln´t hate on ´im and call him fake for never actually havin met a marsian, feel me?
Whereas I´d say that a white dude portraying life in the hood or rapping about what livin loc´d is all about, Id´d say that such a dude is fake-UNLESS, he actually has experience of that type of life, or some close relation to it, such as livin in the hood, or havin lived a life of crime and doin dirt. In which case I´d have no problem with it.

There is people of all races fakin the funk, and there is people of all racec also keepin it real.

And to me, if you´re REALLY down with hip hop, it´s essence, the true original terminology,
and if you grasp the concept of it, and truly understands what hip hop is about, you´ll KNOW when a rapper is real, and when a rapper is fakin the funk like an artificial odour..

Now some people seem to think that a rapper can´t rap about ANYTHING he hasn´t personally done. Like If you never personally slung crack, you could never rap about it.

I look at it like this, someone that has never been around it, has no experience of it, don´t even know people who do, they couldn´t and shouldn´t rap about for example crack and what selling crack ia about.

But, and here´s another example, a person might not selll crack or do crack, but he lives in the hood, sees people dealing it, he sees the effects of it in his neighboorhood.
He might have relatives or family members or friends that´s either slingin or are crack fiends.

If that´s the case, THAT person would obviously not be fakin tha funk if he would sit down and depict and portray what he sees or experinces thru his enviroment or people he´s interacting with. It´s all about HOW you portray something and how you say things.

If you never ever did dirt, neva been around it, have no real experience of it etc,
then you SHOULDN´T try to rhyme/rap about it.

If you haven´t personally put yer work in, did dirt etc, BUT you´ve been around it, you´ve seen it and experienced it, and you want to depict it describe what you´ve seen and experienced, then that´s fine and I wouldn´t consider that bein a perp.
Long as that person didn´t say that HE personally had experienced everything he´s writin about..

Ya smell?

[Sideshow Bob]

^^ That's pretty much a more indepth version of what I said.

Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob

It's like when Lupe writes some shit about what we do, that shit sounds forced and his image can't be associated with the portrait painted, ya dig. And I aint gonna listen to some white boy talking about thug life. It just aint bumpin. I can't take him serious, ya know. So of course it matters. But you can't just judge a nigga if he does or doesn't have a criminal record. If the face fits the persona, do you. That's all it is. Even if Dre never did that shit, you still believed the hype he spilled, couldn't you?

Originally Posted by Tommyknocker

If a dude writes a bugged out, off the wall verse, about smokin blunts with marsians,

I wouln´t hate on ´im and call him fake for never actually havin met a marsian, feel me?

Then I'd assume it was Eminem and press fast forward.

Originally Posted by Sideshow Bob

Rah... Nigga you must of been Sigmund Freud in another life coming with some shit like that. I nominate that as the WHITEST explanation on why we live this way. Explaining what a project is... rofl. But some of of your points made has been peace and word since our elders. This mindstate is... incredible. Hip-Hop is what you and I want it to be. Some are genuine with it, but for most of us, this is just the fundamentals.

That's pretty much all i touched subject with ya Fero. The rest was to Loubez. But nah, I get you 100%. And when I say fundamentals, it's everything that surrounds us as the life we lead, ya dig. Course I had to hold it down growing up in Franklin Field, that's why I lived for hip-hop. Express my world as I got away from it, course I only moved two blocks away... But it's still a lil nicer lol. But when you take hip-hop seriously, it takes you anywhere, ya know. The environment we grew up in will always define and reflect us, no matter if we get away from it like most rappers do. We're simply conditioned and programmed to be this.