Voting is a Mirage in the USA....

[Christ]

Its no way in hell the shits real.

And to think "white" America will ever vote in a "African American" president is just absurd.

Straight up.


Thas like having a white Iraqi president, Or a Mexican president of China. Come on people, we came a long way, but i'm talking inches... not miles




It will appear to be close......Then ..Clinton will win.

Ultimately ..Republican Mccain (sp) will win.

And we will by the results like.."it was close".

Its very disturbing knowing what I know.

Sometimes I wish I was just ignorant..fuck it

[Boogiε]

There will never be a black president.
H. Clinton would be my choice.I don't think I would
vote republican and def. not McCain.

[Christ]

Dont get it twisted hun...Still going to vote Obama !!

[8th]

Originally Posted by Christ

Its very disturbing knowing what I know.

and what exactly is that?

McCain will not be the republican candidate. Juliani is ahead in the polls, but he will prolly drop ALOT when people learn about his personal life and his WAYYY liberal social policies.

and im curious...why are you voting for obama? is it because he is black, or do you actually know his policies, his beliefs, and what he plans on doing? and how is it that you've made up your mind already?

[Christ]

Its pretty easy 8th.....He will actually address alot of political issue of my concern.

One being that of the education system here in America-mainly inner city.

Two being that he will address minority issues.

Three there is no hidden agenda to take us to war for personal gain.

Four he is An African American- and someone that can relate first hand with African American struggles with govern politics in America.

Five he's arguably the best educated.

He's big on legislation....Research the laws hes passed while senator of Illinois ..

I can go on for days but I wont....Why do I have to explain my preference..Vote for who you want to............I know it wont be him..Trust..you wont be the only one that doesnt . LMAO


Infact Im curious.....Why are you "not" voting for him?

Hopefully its not because he's black ??

[run]

theres too much concern about obama being black and clinton being female. unfortunatly that alone will decide a large majority of voters.

[8th]

Originally Posted by Christ

Its pretty easy 8th.....He will actually address alot of political issue of my concern.

One being that of the education system here in America-mainly inner city.

Two being that he will address minority issues.

Three there is no hidden agenda to take us to war for personal gain.

Four he is An African American- and someone that can relate first hand with African American struggles with govern politics in America.

Five he's arguably the best educated.

He's big on legislation....Research the laws hes passed while senator of Illinois ..

I can go on for days but I wont....Why do I have to explain my preference..Vote for who you want to............I know it wont be him..Trust..you wont be the only one that doesnt . LMAO

I was just trying to see if you had real reasons for voting for him. You seem to know what some of his policies are and what issues you think he will attempt to tackle. Im not gunna quibble with the reasons, i just like seeing people have real realsons apposed to 'he's black' or 'he's a democrat/republican"

Originally Posted by Christ

Infact Im curious.....Why are you "not" voting for him?

Hopefully its not because he's black ??

I will not vote for him because he is a leftist. I am conservative and he does not believe in the things I believe in, or the direction I believe American policies [foreign & domestic] should go. I just dont know how you could have your mind made up so far before the election. There are ,and will continue to be, more people annoucing that they are running. Im just saying keep an open mind toward the other candidates [and dont rule out people solely because they arent in your party]

[Christ]

I've been waiting on this man to run.

I've followed his career and his political agenda since 04. Foreign policy? Have you noticed Foreign policy hasnt changed much, if at all? It never does, unless of course we push for a change. And What would we change exactly?

What I do know is his integrity has been Impeccable. - Its a good chance voters wont' share ALL of any candidates views, but would you trust this guy to make decisions that will govern this country ?? Sure you would, if you took a Look at his Resume. Look at what he's accomplished in such a short time already. I believe if you havent been following politicians from the beginning of their careers until there candidacy, then your waaaaay behind the power curve. And "I" believe they feed off you that dont know them or there past. Please dont wait until Election day and vote based off these Money motivated campaigns. Or some speech that in the "moment" sounded good. Dont suprised to hear everything you want to hear. No Laws say you have to do what you said to get elected. Infact we've had a few do the exact opposite !!

What views exactly are you talking about anyways? What policy's?

Because he has grown in conservative support that normally would lean right.

You really need to explain

[Queenspittah]

Yeah...I've looked into what Obama has done for his state n he does have some points on how he's handled biz...but I agree with 8th that it's a little too soon to cast the ballot when more candidates MAY join the race. N Juliani is favored over Obama (according to the last edition of Newsweek**[with Juliani on the cover]**) but not Hillary. Hillary also seems the most promising accroding to the Newsweek poll on who you would vote for if you voted today. Personally, with as much as I know right now...I'd be happy with either Obama or Clinton getting it. Juliani is a scary thought in the White House. I mean look how he cracked down on NY...LOL know he gonna have outrageous policies and vetos while he's in office IMO. N Mccain is still too shell shocked from Vietnam to make an unbiased decision on the Iraq war. It's still early though.

[Christ]

^^LMAO


We still havent learned from history.


And your kids will follow your lead..And theirs will follow theirs.

Blah Blah...........Its like people "want" to be dazzled by the media.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I hate people.........

[Mc Free]

bring back bill clinton

[8th]

Originally Posted by Christ

^^LMAO
We still havent learned from history.
And your kids will follow your lead..And theirs will follow theirs.
Blah Blah...........Its like people "want" to be dazzled by the media.

i think she was kinda agreeing with about obama, just that its too early to make a decision considering all the candidates have not announced yet. so im not really sure why you are 'LMAO'

Originally Posted by Christ

I've followed his career and his political agenda since 04. Foreign policy? Have you noticed Foreign policy hasnt changed much, if at all? It never does, unless of course we push for a change. And What would we change exactly?

Following a politician for a little over 2 years does not mean to know what all of his beliefs are. 2 years is a short amount of time. Our foreign policy needs to change to where we are fighting the War on Islamofacism [war on terror is to vague] in a serious way. We are fighting a half-assed, hands tied behind our backs, war with a group of extremists who have said [MANY times by MANY different people] there goal is to murder or convert us and establish a one world islamic government. We are too weak-willed and think in too short of a time table to defeat an enemy that looks at this as a generational war.

Originally Posted by Christ

What I do know is his integrity has been Impeccable. - Its a good chance voters wont' share ALL of any candidates views, but would you trust this guy to make decisions that will govern this country ?? Sure you would, if you took a Look at his Resume. Look at what he's accomplished in such a short time already. I believe if you havent been following politicians from the beginning of their careers until there candidacy, then your waaaaay behind the power curve. And "I" believe they feed off you that dont know them or there past. Please dont wait until Election day and vote based off these Money motivated campaigns. Or some speech that in the "moment" sounded good.

I agree that he seems to have integrity. He is a smart person, and he is a pretty good communicator. That does not mean I want him running our country, or that i would trust him to make important decisions that could make or break us. And if you said you've been following him since 04 [which many people, including me, have] you have not been following him since the beginning of his career in politics either. Im not saying wait till the last minute and pick the person that has the correct letter by there name, im saying wait till you know who all the candidates are and what they really stand for, and their plans for what they intend to do.

Originally Posted by Christ

What views exactly are you talking about anyways? What policy's?

He is pro-abortion. He supports affirmative action in colleges and government. He is against the death penalty. He voted yes on banning drilling in the ANWR. He wants to ban semi-automatics, and have more gun possession restrictions. He voted yes on allowing ILLEGAL ALIENS to participate in Social Security. He is pro-guest worker program. I disagree with him on damn near everything. I dont see how he could gain ANY conservative support. I highly doubt that his popularity amongst conservatives is going up.

Juliani is a scary thought in the White House. I mean look how he cracked down on NY...LOL know he gonna have outrageous policies and vetos while he's in office IMO.

Juliani is basically a liberal. He has some somewhat right leaning policies, but he is pro-abortion, pro-affirmitive action, pro-amnesty for illegal aliens, pro-gun control, pro gay marriage [even obama is AGAINST gay marriage] I dont know why people think he is some kinda conservative.

[Christ]

8Th..My intensions are not to belittle you or your opinion. we are just not on equal platform. We aren't at all capadble. Im trying to( in all actuallity) provide guidence. Subconsciously.

Its hard to put into words.

For example you say "its to early to pick a candidate. Because we dont know everyone thats running"

Then you say 'Following a politician for the last 4 years is nothing".

But you arent going to know the candidates, and you probably (which im sure you wont admit) Havent followed any of them ..well outside of Juliani and the more Media friendly. But you are prepared to make a decision on who you want to run this country in a matter of months ?

Doesnt at all add up.

You have been a Bush supporter (which is fine) But EVERYBODY else that wasnt , told you what he was going to do. Correct me if Im wrong, but I know you heard people saying "Bush is going to pick up where his father left off" . (may not admit that either)

You voted for Bush....And what basis did you have ?

What basis did anybody have?

Except he was replublican and his Father was president. He wasnt a great politician in Texas. He was given positions because of his fathers political pull.

Now....we've identified Excellent candidates.....Based off what they've accomplished , there education, and there political beliefs, but yet Its not good enough. Who the hell is even "possible" of running, that is better qualified ?

You cant answer that. "Because deep down in places you dont talk about at parties" this has nothing to do with Obama's education or politics.

[8th]

Your attitude is very annoying. You seem to think you are somehow more 'enlightened' then me. I said dont assume you know everything about a candidate because you've followed their short freshman term in the senate. Also, i did not say make up your mind 'in a matter of months', i said be open to other candidates. How do you know someone else that you agree with MORE than obama wont announce his candidacy in a week? Were years away and your acting as if its tomorrow. And your just assuming I support Bush because im a conservative [Bush IS NOT a conservative]

But you arent going to know the candidates, and you probably (which im sure you wont admit) Havent followed any of them

Trust me, I follow the candidates [mainstream and the lesser known. Once again, with your bullshit 'i know more than you do' assumptions.

"Because deep down in places you dont talk about at parties" this has nothing to do with Obama's education or politics.

I just outlined why I will not vote for obama. His POLICIES & BELIEFS, which are completely opposite of mine. But, you jump right to racial undertones. I WILL NOT vote for Juliani either. Because of his policies. Are you going to suggest I subliminally hate Italians? Im trying to have a civil debate with you. Im not insulting you by talking with a high-and-mighty condescending tone. Im not inferring you wont vote for people because of some type of subliminal hatred. If you want to debate the issues, im more then happy. but quit with the attitude.

[Christ]

I wasnt refering to his race. Just him being Democrat.


You buggin. "Some of my best friends are black"


LMAO

Cool out...8th you seem like a fairly intelligent person, thas why I started off my reply with "My intensions are not to belittle you or your opinion". Im just tryna enlightin you kiddO


Take a breathe ..Infact take this time as an intermission and take a look at the intellegence that runs the country.

YouTube - Bush is a dumbass


I would vote Obama today if I could.