The REAL about Mary Jane's Illegalization

[Royal Rapptress]

Marijuana is given such a bad light by "gangstas" and sex-crazed hippies and out of control teens that many people believe that it is as harmful as narcotics such as nicotine, cocaine, heroine etc. That is completely untrue. These "stats" that have been given on marijuana are untrue "results" of gov't funded "studies". To understand this twist of facts one must be knowledgable of the history of Mary Jane in the US.

Marijuana was deemed illegal in 1930, right around the Great Depression and prohibition of alcohol. During the years of the great depression America didn't have much if any, residual income or profit from it two major finacial sources: COTTON and TOBACCO.

Not only is hemp stronger than cotton but it's also cheaper to maufacture than the Amercan fiber. Being that a vast majority of the south's fields grew cotton, the production of marijuana threatened to eat up any profits gained from the production of cotton, which was roughly half of America's net income at the time.

Now we look at marijana's affect on tobacco. Even today tobacco is a leading finacial source for the USA. But in the 30's it was much more so. Along with cotton, tobacco dominated the fields of southern USA. Raw materials were produced in the south and then shipped up north for manufacturing. America was, and still is really, dependant upon this leaf for much of it's monetary gain. Being that marijuana caused a longer lasting euphoric affect than the nicotine present in cigarettes it was more desirable than tobacco and had began to cause a decline in tobacco product sales. Not to mention it could be ingested by more ways than smoking. Marijuana could also be steeped as tea or used as an herbal ingredient in most foods according to the person personal preference. Tobacco, not being able to be as versatile in usage began to lose many of it's supporters.

It was then that they gov't decided that something must be done about marijuana in America or it would eat the profits our two main sources of finanace: Cotton and Tobacco; which still remain on the top of our export trade. The cheaper production of hemp clothing and the maufacturing more desired marijuana cigarettes would in fact put the top American industrial products on the shelf to rot, so to speak.

This is why marijana was illegalized in 1930. Without cotton and tobacco the great depression would have been the Great Destruction...because American never would have been able to bounce back from financial ruins with another resource saturating the sales of cotton and tobacco. Their money and time and land would have been futile and other countries with a more plentiful abundance of stronger strands of the weed would have become moguls if the acceptance of marijuana became universal.

So the gov't (knowing the power of America in trade) deemed marijuana illegal and set up an on going campagne to slander weed and uplift tobacco which has chemicals added to give a semi-euphoric affect that marijuana naturally causes. However the filter in cigarettes is made of fiber glass which over time build up into tiny shards that scrape and cut the inside of your lungs...which marijuana doesn't unless you add cigarette filters to your 'L's. Also added to cigarettes is nicotine which is 300 times more deadly than arsenic mg for mg and also more addictive than heroine. Cigarettes also kill 400,000 people a day...marijuana??....not even close infact the "studys" don't give a statistic of that manner for marijuana. Why...because cigarette deaths are stagering in comparison to even alcohol realted deaths....let alone marijuana.

See the gov't likes to make marijuana seem so much more wose than cigaretts to that they don't have any competition to tobacco users...but the studies they "fund" are set up to exclude tobacco affects in comparison to marijuana. So you find many people saying that marijuana is bad and causes brain damage or lung disease, or even car crashes (BTW I drive better high...much more attentive)...but what about if you don't smoke it as a use??? Or what about if you put a leaf in some brownies n eat em?? Are the affects still the same or "worse" than tobacco which cannot be used for anything but smoking?? Nah. Marijuana isn't worse than tobacco. It's actually naturally better for you since no chemicals are added to cause addiction or similar affects of other substances which is what is done to tobacco. And also the ingestion and application of natural herbs and spices have been used for preservation since Biblical ages by Israelites as well as the Egyptians who enslaved them.

But hey, you can believe the gov't propaganda if you so choose but the truth of the matter is right here^^^. Be wise in the decisions you make and also do your own research instead of feeding your brain with the gov't none-sense, fabricated for financial gain. Also, don't be so judgemental of people who choose to use the natural and unaltered resources God gave us. As far as the rest of the natcotics out there that have to be cooked, cut, diluted with another substance, chemically reacted with other substances, transformed and all that.......LEAVE THAT STUFF ALONE! Everything that comes from the earth is pure, so says God...but if you gotta do a buncha adding and changing of it...it ain't pure no more! But like I said do you! Hope you enjoy the random info.

[Phonix]

Ok.....Disillusion works on both ends of the spectrum.

I'm not going to argue about some of the garbage in this though...I don't have the patience.

I guess you have some interesting and certainly not false points, but the way you put this across lost any credability in my eyes.

[Phade]

First off, I smoke weed regularly and enjoy it. But it's different for different people. I know that if I smoke everyday for a month, whenever I'm sober in the mornings I start to feel depressed which is why I quit for long periods. I know so many people who smoked it for long periods and have stopped permanently cause of the paranioa and head issues it caused them. However, to me this only illustrates that
1) It should be used like anything else mind altering...IN MODERATION.
2) The type of superstrength shit you get now is not cool for everyday use. People fuck with the growing process so much for no reason other than value for moeny and getting absolutely fucking battered.
Personally I source some natural(ish) growing sensi , the more natural and mild effects mean I can go about everyday life the same, maintaining a chilled vibe. Anyone who's smoked dutch shit knows that if you're not extremely careful with how much you smoke you're gonna find simple shit very hard to do.
I liked this post apart from the failure to mention the head issues that can come with regular usage. The hemp fibre shit is on point too, I'm just about to pick some amazing hemp/cotton t shirts.

Oh yeah, there's also a lot of medicinal properties to the herb.

[Royal Rapptress]

Originally Posted by Phonix

Ok.....Disillusion works on both ends of the spectrum.

I'm not going to argue about some of the garbage in this though...I don't have the patience.

Nor the information...there is no garbage here this is the TRUE historical fact of the illegalization of marijuana.

Originally Posted by Phonix

I guess you have some interesting and certainly not false points, but the way you put this across lost any credability in my eyes.

How can you say I have "certainly not false points" but no "credibility in your eyes"??<<That's a direct contradiction! Either it's credible truth or it's not!PERIOD! And what "way did I put it across" that makes it less credible. I simply stated the FACTS of what happened in 1930 and my own veiw points of why marijuana has gotten a bad rep. WTF!

Originally Posted by Phade

First off, I smoke weed regularly and enjoy it. But it's different for different people. I know that if I smoke everyday for a month, whenever I'm sober in the mornings I start to feel depressed which is why I quit for long periods. I know so many people who smoked it for long periods and have stopped permanently cause of the paranioa and head issues it caused them. However, to me this only illustrates that
1) It should be used like anything else mind altering...IN MODERATION.

Exactly! Moderation. Of course ANYTHING done in EXCESS is bad for you...eating too much causes health issues(obesity;high cholesterol), drinking too much causes health issues(liver disease; heart disease), working out too much causes health issues(osteoperosis; tedonitis), too much TV causes health issues (obeisity; vision problems). So of course the same rule applies to marijuana as EVERYTHING ELSE. USE MODERATION.

Originally Posted by Phade

2) The type of superstrength shit you get now is not cool for everyday use. People fuck with the growing process so much for no reason other than value for moeny and getting absolutely fucking battered.

Like I said...anything that has to be altered isn't PURE. That goes for marijuana that's been tampered with during or after the growing process. N if you grow your own or have a close connect who grows their own then that's a problem that you don't have to worry about.

Originally Posted by Phade

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I liked this post apart from the failure to mention the head issues that can come with regular usage.

Well I've been at it for 10 years strong and I've NEVER had a bad experience with weed. I haven't had any "head issues" and I cheef erryday. I think the head issues come from your own bodies personal reaction to the THC naturally found in marijuana, and the fact that some people don't use moderation. I guess that "head issues" is a side affect of using without moderation cause it would only take one time for me to have an unwanted side affect for me to call it quits. In all truth I've found more side affects when I used to smoke cigarettes...coughing cronically (not wit weed though), coughing up blood due to fiber glass (never wit weed), shortness of breath (not since I quit cigs), wierd head rushes from cigs after a long break from them....nicotine ain't no joke, fiegning to smoke all day wit cigs while I smoke maybe two times a day wit herb. Only thing I'd say cigarettes have and advantage over weed is the price per gram. But certainly no head issues...tell ya friends to SLOW DOWN!?LOL YOU TOO PHADE cause the only time I get depressed after I smoke is if it's the last one in the bag!LMAO!!

[tenma]

But hey, you can believe the gov't propaganda if you so choose but the truth of the matter is right here^^^

I found this sentence ironic.

Everyone's welcome to their beliefs and speculation, but it may help your point to use some objective sources in order to lend credibility to your post.

Everything that comes from the earth is pure, so says God

Naturally occurring toxins and poisons also comes from the earth. I don't have a problem with marijuana, but I do have a problem with the "it comes from the earth, so it's ok" argument that I always seem to hear in pro-marijuana debates.

[Royal Rapptress]

Originally Posted by tenma

I found this sentence ironic.

That's because you chose to cut off the quote....which goes on to say..

Originally Posted by Royal Rapptress

But hey, you can believe the gov't propaganda if you so choose but the truth of the matter is right here^^^. [/b]Be wise in the decisions you make and also do your own research instead of feeding your brain with the gov't none-sense, fabricated for financial gain.[/b]

Originally Posted by tenma

Everyone's welcome to their beliefs and speculation, but it may help your point to use some objective sources in order to lend credibility to your post.

That's my whole point! DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!! I could post stuff all day but you don't know it's true until you do your own research. By all means DON'T take my word for it...find these truths for YOURSELF!

Originally Posted by tenma

Naturally occurring toxins and poisons also comes from the earth. I don't have a problem with marijuana, but I do have a problem with the "it comes from the earth, so it's ok" argument that I always seem to hear in pro-marijuana debates.

Also, don't be so judgemental of people who choose to use the natural and unaltered resources God gave us. As far as the rest of the natcotics out there that have to be cooked, cut, diluted with another substance, chemically reacted with other substances, transformed and all that.......LEAVE THAT STUFF ALONE! Everything that comes from the earth is pure, so says God...but if you gotta do a buncha adding and changing of it...it ain't pure no more! [/quote]

Those poisons/toxins have have medicinal uses as well as other uses. If you choose to use it for purposes other than medicine and use them without PROPER MODERATION as Phade said than those toxins can kill you of course. But everything that is put here is pure whether it's poisonous or not but common sense ought to tell you not to use toxins that will kill you!LOL But they have other uses. Every natural substances USE isn't the same but it's still pure when it comes from the earth.

[tenma]

That's my whole point! DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH!! I could post stuff all day but you don't know it's true until you do your own research. By all means DON'T take my word for it...find these truths for YOURSELF!

You didn't state this. Your entire post read as "Royal Rapptress is gonna lay down the TRUTH about marijuana" and then you only go on to decry what the government says without even addressing the potential falsities in your own post. If your intent was to say that people should be just as critical of your post as they are of the governments, then I apologize for my misinterpretation. But posting a thread where the title suggests that Royal Rapptress is writing the unconditional, undiluted truth is gonna make some people (Phonix even said this a few posts up) read such a thread with disdain.

Those poisons/toxins have have medicinal uses as well as other uses. If you choose to use it for purposes other than medicine and use them without PROPER MODERATION as Phade said than those toxins can kill you of course. But everything that is put here is pure whether it's poisonous or not but common sense ought to tell you not to use toxins that will kill you!LOL But they have other uses. Every natural substances USE isn't the same but it's still pure when it comes from the earth.

It's impossible to dive too deeply into this without implicating religion, but I will say this: nothing on earth developed with a specific "purpose" in mind. There are some natural elements that induce certain effects (narcotic, medicinal, posinous, etc), but that doesn't necessarily mean that they have inherent uses. They just have uses that humans have assigned to them through experimenting and charting what each substance does.

[Royal Rapptress]

Originally Posted by tenma

You didn't state this. Your entire post read as "Royal Rapptress is gonna lay down the TRUTH about marijuana" and then you only go on to decry what the government says without even addressing the potential falsities in your own post.

You liar...I did say it right here in this quote n you can check the time of the last edit...it's before any of the response posts. N why would I address potential falseties if I don't see any?! What did you smoke before responding!? Wow!LOL

Originally Posted by Royal Rapptress

Be wise in the decisions you make and also do your own research...

Why try to make my post seem other than what it is? Sometimes the hate is obvious on here. Now apologize for saying that I didn't tell people to research on their own.

Originally Posted by tenma

If your intent was to say that people should be just as critical of your post as they are of the governments, then I apologize for my misinterpretation. But posting a thread where the title suggests that Royal Rapptress is writing the unconditional, undiluted truth is gonna make some people (Phonix even said this a few posts up) read such a thread with disdain.

Fine...DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and PROVE ME WRONG! Bottom line is...YOU WILL BE DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH. I did mine and this thread is what I found and my beliefs based on what I found. This is the truth on the illegalization of marijuana whether you like it or not. Take from it what you will or may no one's force feeding you...believe what you want.

Originally Posted by tenma

It's impossible to dive too deeply into this without implicating religion, but I will say this: nothing on earth developed with a specific "purpose" in mind.

That's YOUR opinion based on what? Mine is biblically based which I stated I can give you the verses of the Bible if you aren't competent enough to do your own research, where God tells us that EVERYTHING that comes from the earth is pure. Meaning it's good until used for the wrong reasons, or good until it's altered into something other than it's original state.

Originally Posted by tenma

There are some natural elements that induce certain effects (narcotic, medicinal, posinous, etc) but that doesn't necessarily mean that they have inherent uses.

What?! You USE the product for what it's best for. Asprin best for headaches n not heartburn....tums(calcium) great for heartburn but not for pain...marijuana's great for cataracts and patients withour appetites but not for muscle strengthening....steroids is great for muscle strengthening but not for eye sight. The uses are determined by the affects of the substance. DUH! Why are you trying so hard to make a null point is beyond me.

Originally Posted by tenma

They just have uses that humans have assigned to them through experimenting and charting what each substance does.

Tell me then...how else would we know which substances side affects treat which symptoms if we hadn't picked the plant and found the best use for it?? You make no sense. EVERYTHING that COMES from the earth has a purpose (good/bad). We test and do research to FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE SUBSTANCE IS BEST USED FOR. Please don't respond back unless you actually have something relevant to contribute other than "Royal Rapptress made a post about weed with no websites or books to cite so that I actually have to DO MY OWN RESEARCH IN ORDER TO HAVE AN INTELLIGENT RESPONSE." LMAO

[tenma]

Originally Posted by Royal Rapptress

You liar...I did say it right here in this quote n you can check the time of the last edit...it's before any of the response posts. N why would I address potential falseties if I don't see any?! What did you smoke before responding!? Wow!LOL

Why try to make my post seem other than what it is? Sometimes the hate is obvious on here. Now apologize for saying that I didn't tell people to research on their own.

You're very histrionic. You really should re-read my last posts, because I even said something along the lines of "sorry if I mis-interpreted the intent of your post". If you can't even see how what you wrote could upset *2* of the three people (er, looking down below, it looks like it's now *3* of the 4 people) that responded to your thread, then that's an issue between the two hemispheres of your brain.

Fine...DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH and PROVE ME WRONG! Bottom line is...YOU WILL BE DOING YOUR OWN RESEARCH. I did mine and this thread is what I found and my beliefs based on what I found. This is the truth on the illegalization of marijuana whether you like it or not. Take from it what you will or may no one's force feeding you...believe what you want.

Why do you get so huffy? All I said is that it would be nice to post your sources so that your words would look more objective and well thought out. People who write debates or arguments normally do this sort of thing, yet you get angry when I say this. If I say "oranges cause cancer", then you have the right to call bullshit on me. But if I say "oranges cause cancer and here is my source: [insert medical journal]" then you can't say that I'm wrong. Just trying to help you out, ma.

That's YOUR opinion based on what? Mine is biblically based which I stated I can give you the verses of the Bible if you aren't competent enough to do your own research, where God tells us that EVERYTHING that comes from the earth is pure. Meaning it's good until used for the wrong reasons, or good until it's altered into something other than it's original state.

Oh yes, the Bible completely negates anything and everything else, right? My opinion is based off logic. Like I said, I don't want to make this a religious debate. If your opinion is based off the Bible, cool. Personally, I'd not rely on a book that was physically written by the hands of fallable man and is riddled with metaphors that dozens of sects all choose to interpret in wildly different ways.

But really, you should try being less dramatic.

What?! You USE the product for what it's best for. Asprin best for headaches n not heartburn....tums(calcium) great for heartburn but not for pain...marijuana's great for cataracts and patients withour appetites but not for muscle strengthening....steroids is great for muscle strengthening but not for eye sight. The uses are determined by the affects of the substance. DUH! Why are you trying so hard to make a null point is beyond me.

Tell me then...how else would we know which substances side affects treat which symptoms if we hadn't picked the plant and found the best use for it?? You make no sense. EVERYTHING that COMES from the earth has a purpose (good/bad). We test and do research to FIND OUT EXACTLY WHAT THE SUBSTANCE IS BEST USED FOR. Please don't respond back unless you actually have something relevant to contribute other than "Royal Rapptress made a post about weed with no websites or books to cite so that I actually have to DO MY OWN RESEARCH IN ORDER TO HAVE AN INTELLIGENT RESPONSE." LMAO

You're basically stating everything I already did: humans assign uses to the objects that he finds or creates. Let me put it this way: if I give you a box, you may use it to stand on in order to reach an apple. However, if I give another person a box, he may use it to sit on. The box itself has no *inherent* use - afterall, it's just a box. The uses that are derived from it is what matters.

Using "LMAO" and capslocks galore doesn't make you look more insightful or more correct, just more desperate in trying to win an argument that was never meant to be an argument in the first place.

[azy]

your argument doesnt quite make sense.

i mean, if the government saw this was a threat to tobacco and cotton profits, why didnt they just market and produce marijuana and make money off it as another consumer good?

[Royal Rapptress]

Mkay good point. But I already answered that...this would mean trashing the product you already have, to grow a product that grows plentifully and more potently in foreign soil already...meaning these places could corner the market first befor USA got its production shut down and up and running with new marijuana production...thus knocking us out of our main source of income during a time Great Depression. The easiest and quickest thing to do is to ban it rather switch up your whole process of doing things and possibly lose your power as a trading conglomerate...which America has been ever since theres been Wall Street wall put up to keep Native Americans out of the international trading hat happened on the docks of NY. Like I said man...look it up and draw your own conclusions...this is the mine based off the facts of historical account.

N Tenma....please! You've done nothing but babble on about a topic you know nothing about...bottom line. Go read a book, preferably the Bible which is ordained by God through men he deemed worthy of the task...meaning that though they sinned too...it wasn't in writing the Bible..for they had proven themselves worthy of such a task. but that's a whole other discussion that requires faith.

[tenma]

Originally Posted by Royal Rapptress

N Tenma....please! You've done nothing but babble on about a topic you know nothing about...bottom line. Go read a book, preferably the Bible which is ordained by God through men he deemed worthy of the task...meaning that though they sinned too...it wasn't in writing the Bible..for they had proven themselves worthy of such a task. but that's a whole other discussion that requires faith.

Nice cop-out.

[Royal Rapptress]

LOL...cop out of what?? Mayne this is S.A.O.R. not Beg to Differ so chill. This is the info I found...google marijuana/illeagalization n find all the same info n draw whatever conclusions you want. PERIOD! How hard is it to research AMERICAN HISTORY?! This isn't a cancer study but HISTORY...that you should already know by the way.

[Bobo.]

its nothing!

[Nomad Toad]

interesting.....

but if you gonna be taken serious against the propaganda youve gotta declare ur sources..

tobacco comes from the earth and is highly toxic.. so that argument is void

im pro choice when it comes to drugs but without proper supported evidence we cant expect to be taken serioiusly against officials and academics who are paid to propagate untruths and half facts...

but yeah self educations the way forward!!

ps PHONIX is an idiot!