opinions on text and audio...

[Fluxion]

the measure of a true veteran has something to do with how good one can deal with adversity...the vet section was filled with people who knew how to write nicely, but could you really call them vets?...well, since this is the internet, let them have fun with the word...but i honestly don't think a text head can call themselves a veteran, atleast not as a rapper...as a matter of fact, a text head is a beginner...text is just something that will improve your lyrics slightly...not really a challenge, mostly politics, as a newbie you don't know that though...but transitioning to audio shows you how much of a newbie these big bad veterans are...audio is much more challenging then text and the people that have been rapping outside of the internet may find it a bit easier of a transition...matter of fact, once you go audio, you kinda find out that text was in some senses a waste of time, because by the time you become a "veteran", you've become accustomed to writing songs that will be garbage in audio..i mean, you don't learn true structure until you make tracks, point blank...it's like finding your own style and making sure that you'll have breath control, and making sure it'll flow, and making sure the lyrics go together without being forced...takes time, it's much more of a challenge then text...and i'm not hating on text heads...but all you had to learn from text was how to use a metaphor, and be consistant...that's it...that was the lesson.. but you didn't know that because you were getting kicked out of the vet section and you were getting beaten by top heads, and you were lloking for respect but dickriders told you, you weren't any good...or if you were on the other side of things, you were getting dickridden, you were getting gassed, and didn't want to throw it away...bottomline, text can't teach you how to write songs, audio is the only thing that can teach that...


i understand some people look at this as a hobby, but those are the same people that tried to tell me to stop rapping, same people that thought they were "ill"(this doesn't apply to all of you doing this as a hobby). i guess in the end i took this shit seriously and surpassed them...btw, if you are looking to do audio as a hobby, good luck, this shit is work, and you'll face adversity here too, but unlike text, a lot of it will be truth...you'll actually be elevating instead of wasting time....

who knows, maybe all of this rap shit is a waste of time, but i'm not giving up hope yet....

that's my shortened opinion...textcees and audio heads can feel free to disagree.. or add on to it..who knows, this can turn into a guide for people who are serious...

[Mistuh Gripp]

^^truth.

[Addverb.]

wow.. i didn't read all of this, because the first coupla lines were so stupid.

Have you ever heard of poetry? which is basiclly what every open mic peice is, expression in text form. So yes you can be a vet in text. Battling is based on battling lyricwise not just audio. Though it takes more effort to be a great audio head than text. because so many more factors come into play. But! That still doesnt mean that "Text heads" are so-called beginners.

And nox, your not south floridas 'illest' i am, so stop claiming my throne.

[SoundSilence]

text is a good place to start, and i still think it is important if u want to be a good audio head...Of course you should stop before u get too consumed and then your structure gets so fucked u cant write an audio bar over a beat... But everyone writes for every song. Lyrics are just as important as flow, and all the other essential ingredients for a audio. I myself never did much text, did a couple battles, shit wasent really for me...just went audio... But even i suffer from doing that a bit, as my lyrics and structure... and mostly, my ability to convey thoughts from my head onto the paper without it being lost in translation is sumthing text can help you overcome...Because, it focuses so much more on lyrics than anything thing else.

[Ex ™]

^^^ That has got to be the most sadistic sig I've ever laid eyes on..


**Shakes Head**... that shit is horrible....

[STRONGARM]

heres the thing : comparing TEXT wit AUDIO is like comparing BOOKS wit MOVIES. No one... and i mean NO ONE can film a movie based on a book wit just a copy of the book in their hands. period! it has to be written into a screenplay and shit has to be added and whatnot. so its ignorant as fuck to say that text, how u write and what u write, has any impact on how you'll write and what you'll write in audio! i can do both and they're completely different because i understand that there is no such thing as "FLOW" wit text... its up to the individual reader to judge if something "flows" whereas in audio its apparent. my audio FLOW and text "FLOW" aren't even remotely similar : people say i stretch my text, prolly do! lol... but you cant do that wit audio obviously. but to say that text is a beginners stage and that audio is the next level is garbage flux. ive heard your audio and its nothing to brag about homie! thats real talk no shit talk... im not trying to beef wit you but if you say you wanna be real lets be real : you buy a mic you record and (insert special sound) YOU'RE AUDIO! wow... half the people on this site fuckin suck ass audio wise... fuckin half assed rhymes, no flow just garbage. you're inbetween "GARBAGE" and "iiight"! so why then should you be able to claim that you hold superiority over someone strickley text who WRITES SHIT 1000 TIMES BETTER THAN ALL YOUR AUDIO RHYMES PUT TOGETHER? make sense? NO! just like it wouldnt make sense to say that text is better than audio, THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT BEASTS. you gave me the tools to go audio in the first place FLUX... and its cool but like you said, its hard to do as a hobby! which, for me, it is. thats why im not droppin so much audio, and im slowing down almost to a halt wit text. bottomline you should respect and embrace all forms of creative expression not divide mu'fuckaz up into groups who are ALL trying to achieve the same thing : SHARING TALENT and CREATIVITY! w0rD! hate on me if you want...

[Stoic]

Text 4 lyph nuggas.

[Ex ™]

Originally Posted by STRONGARM

bottomline you should respect and embrace all forms of creative expression not divide mu'fuckaz up into groups who are ALL trying to achieve the same thing : SHARING TALENT and CREATIVITY! w0rD! hate on me if you want...

√ M8

[R. Hayze]

Everybody got a point to some extent. Bottom line is Strongarm put it best, it is like comparing books to movies.

I guess you can be a vet in text, why not...that doesn't make you a veteran emcee. That also doesn't even make you nice, it just makes you a really good netcee. If that's as far as kats want to go more power to them.

[paragon]

text can't teach you how to write songs, audio is the only thing that can teach that...
^^WRONG


text writes songs
audio makes songs

writing is the easy part
making the song is the hardest part

[Phade]

please, WHEN i get audio hooked up (i.e get my own computer) i WILL show you how much better i am than half the heads in the audio booth right now (unless you got a problem with my accent).

check the open mics and check the flows of me, ferociousz, stoic, copypat to name a few. AND text has more lyrical talent than audio...you know just cuz I dont hook my shit up to a comp to record (4 track portastudio is ghetto) doesnt mean im wHack, doesn't mean my text wont flow sick and doesnt mean i cant write an ill song (peep 2005 til infinity).

i'm not claimin to be no lyrical god, or even a fuckin internet vet. but im sick of audio people actin like they good cuz they can spit into a microphone. just because half the audio kids have no flow delivery or presence doesn't mean the ones who have are special. it means half the audio heads are wHack as fuck.

peace.

[Phade]

btw text battles dont count in this cuz the whole concept of them plain sucks.

[Fluxion]

Originally Posted by STRONGARM

you're inbetween "GARBAGE" and "iiight"! so why then should you be able to claim that you hold superiority over someone strickley text who WRITES SHIT 1000 TIMES BETTER THAN ALL YOUR AUDIO RHYMES PUT TOGETHER?

you made some valid points, but some of it got lost in translation when you started talking about my ability in audio. first off, i wasn't caliming superiority over you or anyone else you can name. i was talking about a few select people(from way back. don't post here anymore) that thought they were better than me that i have surpassed...secondly, you probably haven't heard my audio or seen my text, i'm not just some audio head with weak lyrics, i know how important they are...i've seen good battles, i've studied.. you don't know how much work i put into this stuff...you don't know the lengths i go to elevate, so questioning my skill isn't what it's really about here...just give your opinion on text and audio...

Originally Posted by PHADE

AND text has more lyrical talent than audio...

nope...

Originally Posted by phade

im sick of audio people actin like they good cuz they can spit into a microphone.

me too..

Originally Posted by phade

you know just cuz I dont hook my shit up to a comp to record (4 track portastudio is ghetto) doesnt mean im wHack, doesn't mean my text wont flow sick and doesnt mean i cant write an ill song

lol, i remember the days i thought audio was easy...but for real, i never said text heads were whack, what i meant to say was no text head is a veteran emcee..and many believe they are...

[DaVe E BuRnOuT]

YEah text i was ok but audio was easyer for me cas i rap outside the net..My text was written like i spit n i got cats that be like thats wac or not enough thought or what ever Too SiMpLe..you know.BUt since hearn how i spit i get alot more respect an alot consider me pritty fuckn good..But as far as that vet shit as a text head i wouldn't consider vets or newbies theres the good n the bad...I think once theses kids learn to make songs instead of focusn on bein RF's heavyWeight text champ they'll be better off.Text is a steppn stone but once u get so good whats left to do?i made the transision because i new i was ready..So text heads take ya time but when ya writen ya text battle use a beat...
n act like there readn how ur rhymen...idk early

[STRONGARM]

Originally Posted by Fluxion

so questioning my skill isn't what it's really about here...just give your opinion on text and audio...

i thought thats what i did!? and i have heard your audio AND seen your TEXT so im not just randomly speaking... its from firsthand views fam! and believe me I KNOW how much work you put into this... QUALITY audio is an artform... i think we'd all agree. im sure you put in a shit load of man-hours tweaking and perfecting your sound but it still doesnt change the fact that text and audio are TWO seperate things, neither ABOVE the other! you might not of wanted to come off like that but how else can people react when you call text basically a stepping stone? imagine for a sec ALL THE HARD WORK YOU PUT INTO YOUR AUDIO... now imagine someone else putting the same amount of work into their text to then have YOU say its all for nothing until they go audio! WOULD YOU BE HAPPY?

and this whole gay ass vet/newb shit is fuckin garbage! who really refers to themselves as that shit on here? you're either nice or fuckin shitty. either-or... *MESSAGE TO ALL RAPFLAVA MEMBERS* - i dont care to hear about your fuckin VET status unless i have a sick animal or im researching a past war. if im not in those two specific situations... fuck outta here wit that faggot net shit! X 2 da GAy use to pull that homo shit...