NYJets talk.

[Stoic]

OK... well i outlined there starting lineup and they have some serious issues they need to adress

Offense is probly gonna look something like this.

QB: Pennington ... pretty consistant, cant get too deep but the adjustments made should work towards his strengths.. the Moss trade was really nice for him...
RB: Martin ... his age will have him spelled by Blaylock who
FB: Sowell... decent blocker... makes some dink n dunk catches, a very good "modern era" FB
WR: Coles... deff liked the trade for him, more complete then Moss, i feel he can compete with premier WRs and stick up there in 1600 yards in some of his good years, where Moss will never exeed a 1200yrd WR who will hover around 1000 yrds a season
WR: McCariens... didnt like the trade for him, but he still is a good player...personally id rather see him at the 3 spot but at 2 hes done well... his over the middle routes need a lil work imo.
LT:Fabini this is gonna be rough... hes a RT and if he returns to his prime he will be a good RT, but LT is a much different position... and i wonder if theyll be forced to put him over here, id like to see him at RT but then the hole at LT may be gaping.
RT:Adrian JonesThey have no one for this spot... hopefully Jones or Cavka can take over LT and let Fabini return to RT... but right now im not sure if either of them are worth the starting spot let alone the LT starting spot... this T situation for the Jets is their biggest issue
G: Kendall Good consistant player... getting old but if he stays healthy this will be a strong spot on the jets line.
G: Moorealotta people had there doubts but at the end of 03 i saw improvement... and i felt last year he showed he was still growing... im a lil worried but i feel as though he will come into his own this year and be a standout G.
C: Mawaegetting old and i woulda liked to see the Jets pick his heir apparant in the draft but they didnt really have a good oppurtunity to do so... perennial pro bowler? yes... turning the corner on 40? unfortunate yes.
TE: Jolley a TE who i liked, but the raiders stocked up on talent particularly Teyo Johnson, which gives room for Jolley to move, i think hell develop... i wanted to see if Baker could take the spot, but his suspect blocking skills took him outta the running as #1 TE... Jolley is a guy who could play as a pretty good TE, and with Chrebet dwindeling through age and inury i feel Jolley could take over on 3rd down... hes pretty young but seems pretty polished... i like the guy.

imma drop Defense in a moment.

DE/LB: J. Abraham i dont think the contract is inked but i've heard there not really worried about it... he fits the spot well but his attitude and effort sometimes gets me worried, obv pro bowl potential which hes proven but he also missed a playoff game a couple years back cuz of the flu... he needs to stop being a lil bitch, get signed, and play like a man.
DE: Sean Ellis...Been doing a very good job at his spot recently, early in the career he was looking bust-ish but has gotten back in shape and stayed there as a marquee DE.
DT: Dewayne Robertson... played effectively last season... needs to continue growing... he MUST BECOME DOMINANT... its essential for the Jets to be a playoff team
DT:Pouha/Evans/Harper this could be a serious problem... the jets drafted Pouha, be the guy is like 26... thats not the age you groom someone at... if hte Jets took him, they believe he is polished and ready... which is probably totally a mistake cuz they are the jets..Evans, i don't even think hes still on the roster but ESPN.com had him so imma follow there word... evans is a great Passrushing 3rd down DT but not an everydown player imo. Harper isnt good but hes mediocre at everything, I really hope Pouha is a diamond in the ruff becuz for a DT commitee you need to have good DTs which right now... the jets dont have em, this is a mediocre commitee.
LB: Vilma great player still developing... rookie of the year last year, and i think hell step his game up once again... a lil small, but hes a gamer.
LB: Barton ... real good player despite almost ending there playoff run last season gainst the chargers, leadership and balance... good player
LB:Hobson... fits real well into the hybrid their running he can stick the MLB in the 3-4 and can keep up as an OLB in the 4-3... a guy i liked right outta college.
CB: D. Abraham... this is a team desperate for a #1 corner... this guy is aging, and not great... but they have alotta #2 guys who could become #1 guys with work... hopefully by the end of the season they will be... but on the good side of Abe, hes a playmaker... he can grab a pick and run it back he can make a big hit, hes good... but he worries me in big play matchups.
CB: Barret/Strait/Miller... this is an intriguing position... Barret... a guy who i've loved even before he came here from the Cardinals, stepped up and showed us his a game in the playoffs with 11 tackles and a clutch pick in 2 games... he was getting rave reviews as a rookie and hes showing that potential... hopefully he grows from it... Strait and Miller were 2 STEALS in the last 2 Rookie Drafts...hopefully they grow, strait didnt make the impact i expected last season... but they provide depth, and the competition to push each other and make the whole CB roster better.
S: Coleman... the jets drafted him last year and i was skeptical, but he totally blew me away holding down the S position all season last year, and just playing really really good football.. 4 picks 80+tackles (i believe) great season for a rookie safety... getting him so late, and his immediate production was an incredible gift to the jets.
S: Tongue/ Mcgraw/ Rhodes/ Maddox/Washington ... im totally confused here, Tongue is the ol vet they brought in to do the job, McGraw is ineffective and injury prone, but the regime likes him, so they might move him to get him teh playing time... and Rhodes and Maddox are both talented rookies, if either of them proves to be this years Coleman, they'll be set at S for a long time, Washington is the wildcard here.. a rookie last year, and if he makes the leap him and coleman can be a sick combo... honestly im not too sure about this position but my outlook is that it wont end up well.

[DaVe E BuRnOuT]

Yeah ima Jets n Raider Fan....Jets cas my fav color is green plus im from ny n it the only newyork team i like
But raider since like 95 when C.WoodSon came into the league...........I hope for good year from both my teams n hope to see them both in the AFC championship Game this year

[Stoic]

The Major Holes in this team are the #1 CB and the Tackle position has me VERY VERY worried on both sides.

Other Holes include DT and S but i feel as though the players are implace to take over that spot....

Depth in WR are players i like but im a lil worried about....

The late draft pick of Williams at WR could prove to be huge, as he could take the spot that J Carter held down on the jets, but bigger... his physical tools show him to be a potential breakout sleeper if he can refine his skills... i like him, but im not sure what he'll do.
I liked Cotchery last year as a pick, but his hands are a lil small which has me doubting that he'll ever be anything special, but if he develops into a good #3 WR thatd be enough for me, even though i'd like to see him eclipse McCarriens for the #2 spot, but that seems as a long shot.

[R. Hayze]

Jets gotta worry about their secondary. They're not bad in the trenches, got some nice lineman like Abraham and Vilma is a sick young player, but their CBs and S's aren't top notch. I dont think the trade for Coles is going to make that much of an impact on offense either. Just hope Pennington can stay healthy. Regardless NE will show them something.

[Stoic]

Originally Posted by R. Hayze

Jets gotta worry about their secondary. They're not bad in the trenches, got some nice lineman like Abraham and Vilma is a sick young player,

i was deff worrying about the secondary, they need one shut down lock down corner, to take opposing teams #1 guy outta there, or at least slowed down... Abraham verse a premier receiver is a mismatch waiting to be exposed, they're not in a real big WR division, but Moulds can hurt them... as well as various patriot guys

but their CBs and S's aren't top notch.

I agree with this too a point, i like Coleman, deff a hot prospect to become very big this year... the other safety spot looks weak but they have a plethora of guys to take over that spot, and hopefully one will emerge as a premier or at least "starting calibur" player. Same with CB... The two young corners, plus Barret are all guys i like and wanna see develop... the players are implace, but hopefully they'll emerge sooner rather then later.

I dont think the trade for Coles is going to make that much of an impact on offense either.

i disagree here, Moss was more injury proned and a smaller deepthreat style of receiver, which is exactly what the jets didnt need, Coles has deep speed, but can work the middle a lil too... plus he had a broken foot or toe (dont remember) last season and played through it to put up big numbers.

Just hope Pennington can stay healthy.

The Jets Tackles are gonna get Penny hurt big time... hopefully he stay hurt, and avoid injured.

Regardless NE will show them something.

yea prob, but im hopin the jets can steal a win at home... long shot.

[Anubis-Ra]

Damn I can't wait until the season starts.

[Climax]

The Jets were dope last year. I thought they were going to beat Pittsburgh. Their kicker was under too much pressure and he isn't that accurate. I'd say the Jets need a better kicker and better Tackles on offense. Otherwise, they are pretty good for this upcoming year.

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[Stoic]

Originally Posted by Climax

The Jets were dope last year. I thought they were going to beat Pittsburgh. Their kicker was under too much pressure and he isn't that accurate. I'd say the Jets need a better kicker and better Tackles on offense. Otherwise, they are pretty good for this upcoming year.

They drafted a kicker in the second round, i was totally devastated by this pick, Khalif Barns was a sure fire T talent, he woulda started this season, if he started at LT and Fabini moved to RT omfg... that line would be 1000 times better. after sleeping on the kicker pick, i was still dissapointed, but he's real clutch and a real good kicker... id like to have snagged him in later rounds.. but the Kicker is there, and hopefully will be there for a long time... but damn Khalif Barns woulda been a star and a huge gap filler for this team. Not to mention there was another T and a LB who id rather have taken, even tho LB isnt a huge need they coulda gotten someone who is a legitmate top 5 pick if not for his off the field problems, paired with Hobson and Vilma... good lord.

[Anubis-Ra]

I think Coles has been waiting for a chance to show his skills. It's just Washington had no real good QB. I'm sure Pennington will get the football to him a lot this year.

[Stoic]

eh... despite mediocre QB play... Portis, and Gardner made such an explosive offense(which didnt really do well... but still, the threats were in place) he didnt have to deal with a defence focusing on him, which will probly be the case again unless Martin can reproduce his production last year which i doubt... if Martin goes 1300 thatd be great, but even if he doesnt pick up as many and sticks to 1100-1200 and the 2nd n 3rd backs pick up the slack, they'd be ok... plus Jolley gives them more production from TE... so it should be interesting, but regardless i think Coles will be much more reliable then Moss

[Stoic]

This is my Review on the Draft Picks the Jets Made.

2nd Round Pick # 47
K Mike Nuggent.
a kicker... in the second round... way to early for this guy to have been picked, wouldnt have mind snaggin him in the third... but this was a pick that was needed to fill serious holes at DB or T and they neglected it for a luxury... of course after last years playoff disaster it seems like an issue... but damn, Brien was still decent... they have huge holes at other spots, just shows the fans run this team, and primarily the stupid ones... bad pick... 2/10.
Who They Should've picked: Khalif Barns, Marcus Johnson, Odell Thomas

2nd Round Pick # 57
CB Justin Miller.
great pick, great corner with late first round ability... a steal by a full round, could press for the #2 spot and hopefully will blossom into the #1 guy they've been searching for, although he may be a lil too small to ever be a shut down at #1 but will be a #2 shutdown and could be a very good #1... 10/10
Who They Should've picked: N/A they got the right guy.

3rd Round Pick # 88
DT Sione Pouha.
an interesting pick, but i dont really like it. He's deff very strong, but he's a lazy guy... doesnt fight on every play and he isnt of an allstar calibur where he can afford to act that way... my biggest issue is his age, hes 26... so in 4 years hell be on the wrong side of 30, sure DTs can play till 40 but if he doesnt show hes starting quality as a rookie or a sophmore, im not real sure why this was made. 3.5/10
Who They should've picked: Attiyah Ellison, Daryl Blaylock

4th Round Pick # 123
S Kerry Rhodes.
The jets traded up for this guy which gives me the belief he could be this years coleman, and if thats so its a great pick, if not it still gives tehm depth at a position that isnt great and bolsters a mediocre secondary... i like this pick alot 8.5/10
Who They Should've picked: Antajj Hawthorne

5th Round # 161
S Andre Maddox.
the thing that i hate about this pick, is that last draft we took to S, and here we are doing it back to back again...the jets have alotta holes, S is one of the smaller ones... but they seem to be focusing on a smaller matter here... i liked Kerry Rhodes more then Maddox, so i dunno about this one... i think Maddox could be good... but we have so many young S on this team, i dunno about this one, not to mention at times i question his speed. 6/10
Who They Should've picked: Antajj Hawthorne was still on the board at this point, and it woulda been a steal.

6th Round #182
RB Cedric Houston.
i like this pick, he reminds me of Lamont Jordan, whom we lost this offseason, and i think hell challenge blaylock for playing time in a couple of years as teh #2 back, and Heir apparent... a very good draft pick here. I really see this guy as a potential Lamont Jordan without the attitude...8.5/10
Who They Should've picked: Chris Myers, Chris Kemoeta, Rob Pettiti, Reynaldo Hill

6th Round # 198
TE Joel Dreessen.
A TE pick which i was a lil skeptical about... First off i have a man crush on chris baker... so of course i wanted him to blossom, but his blocking woulda prevented anything there... Jolley however is clearly there guy after the trade, and he has the skills to do so both are young and Dreessen every finding a spot seems kinda difficult. Upside is there, he's a huge guy who happens to be very smart on and off the field and could become decent but with the aquisition of Jolley im jsut not feelin this pick 4/10
Who They Should've picked: Chris Myers, Chris Kemoeta, Rob Pettiti, Reynaldo Hill... all 4 of the guys who i wanted from a pick before but still on the board.

7th Round # 240
WR Harry Williams.
nice find in the 7th rounder... big and fast, but never really produced in college...from what i here his deep game is pretty nfl worthy, which is deff very nice even if penny cant get the ball to him it'll stretch the field for guys to work the middle, id like to see him make this roster... a nice late round find...7/10
Who They Should've picked: Madison Hedgecock ... he woulda made the team as a situational goal line FB.

[Stockton]

^lol... seems like all the jets fans is pissed bout Nugent... But u gotta remember... how did the jets lose in the playoffs last year? O'Brien choked on two FGs, either woulda won them the game... in a way... its a very good pick... but at the same time, i have to agree that they coulda got him later, but i guess they didnt wanna risk it...

[Stoic]

yes, they lost because of a kicker... but also when they were trying to run the ball to get closer to the GL so they werent such long kicks it was there O Line getting bullied to prevent an easier kick, no im not taking any of the blame of Brien but the best Kickers in teh league are only a pinch better then teh rest of the kickers... a strong OT coulda improved the safety of the QB, improvement in the passing game, great improvement in the running game, depth at a shallow position, youth to an aging position, and more rest time for the Defence... an OT woulda made this whole team better... now we gotta kicker....who will be 1/20th better then the one we already had

[Stockton]

^Thats not true... Nugent is clutch... compare Vinatieri and O'Brien... thats a huge ass difference actually...