Is America being punished for its loss of morality?

[delphidd]

Since the early 1960's America has suffered a steady decline in morality. You can see it in every aspect of our society: education, business ethics, entertainment, sexual promiscuity, marriage and family continuity. In comparison to the post WW2 era, we are hated by much of the world, we have crime rampant in our streets, we can't trust to news, we can't trust the government, we can't trust our educational system, we are synical about our church leadership. Do you think this is a judgment from God?

[Devious LoCstah]

This has been going on waaaaay before ww2 bro look bak on ancient wars over in europe that was all tha same ish it all goes into religion, and freedom. If leaders would just quit b/s'n like bush's dumbass if he had never became president I'm bettin that 9/11 wouldn't have happend along with other terroristic acts.

[8th]

^what are you talking about?

Originally Posted by Devious LoCstah

If leaders would just quit b/s'n like bush's dumbass if he had never became president I'm bettin that 9/11 wouldn't have happend along with other terroristic acts.

Thats a ridiculous statement in my ways. The most obvious of which is, they had been planning 9/11 since before Bush won the republican primary, let alone the general election. And they have been attacking us since the 70's [they really haven't ever stopped attacking since the begining of the Crusades, but im talking in more recent terms] the Iran hostage crisis, First World Trade Center Bombing, Samalia, The USS Cole Bombing, The night club bombings in beirut, the embassy bombings in Kenya & Tanzania, etc. All of which where carried out by Islamofacists, & took place way before George Bush.

[delphidd]

I think you're looking at the simptoms of the situation, not the root cause. If you look at what happened to the civilizations before and after their moral decline, you would see prosperity and harmony as a result of a moral and decent society that honored God and the laws that governed them. A civilization started to decline when they stopped putting God first and became arrogant, thinking that they had the answers, or were above the law--doing what was right in their own eyes. It was then, throughout history, both ancient and modern, that you see the foundations of a civilization begin to crumble and eventually lead to the demise of its society.

If you wish for an example, take a look at the Biblical account of the birth and growth of the nation of Israel. Or, look at Greece, or the Roman empire. How about Germany?

You see, the leadership of a nation is but a reflection of the moral character of the nation. The exceptions are few, but this is a reality that we all must face if we are to have any hope of turning this nation around.

[avenger hope]

no.

it's absurd to think that some unknown force is punishing us because it's angry at us.

i think it has nothing to do with God or whatever, we're just humans and humans make mistakes.

we're egotistical.

we're hurting ourselves and the earth - so basically it's just biting us back in the ass.

[rainman6304]

go to another country thats not as well established as the united states and u'll see much worse situations. Example Rawanda, Suadi Arabia. Its not that morality has been lost rather there is more to desire now and those things have become more accessible to people of the United States. With more to desire in the world, there is naturally more corruption. I definitely don't think that the United States is worst off than any other place. Oh and If Jesus doesn't judge us for our sins why does GOD?

go to another country thats not as well established as the united states and u'll see much worse situations. Example Rawanda, Suadi Arabia. Its not that morality has been lost rather there is more to desire now and those things have become more accessible to people of the United States. With more to desire in the world, there is naturally more corruption. I definitely don't think that the United States is worst off than any other place. Oh and If Jesus doesn't judge us for our sins why should GOD?

go to another country thats not as well established as the united states and u'll see much worse situations. Example Rawanda, Suadi Arabia. Its not that morality has been lost rather there is more to desire now and those things have become more accessible to people of the United States. With more to desire in the world, there is naturally more corruption. I definitely don't think that the United States is worst off than any other place. Oh and If Jesus doesn't judge us for our sins why should GOD?

[loubez]

god isnt some jackass in the sky punishing people....sorry

the education in this country sucks, we reward people for memorizing fairy tales and myths and ostircize people for looking at evil shit like science

[8th]

Originally Posted by loubez

the education in this country sucks, we reward people for memorizing fairy tales and myths and ostircize people for looking at evil shit like science

what exactly are you talking about? Give examples or something. Dont just spout talking points.

[loubez]

Originally Posted by 8th

what exactly are you talking about? Give examples or something. Dont just spout talking points.

you're a testy lil fucker.....im talking about if you look at mainstream america people look down upon those who dont folow religious guidlines...these overtones are in our school system, its like when king james retranslated the bible and added the passages about slaves being obedient to their masters as a way of keeping order amongst the serfs on fuedal manors. its a forum though guy, i dont wanna write a book right now just lettin niggas know how id like to beg to differ

[8th]

Let this be your [one and only] warning, stick to the issues, leave out the name calling.

im talking about if you look at mainstream america people look down upon those who dont folow religious guidlines

Who does? In what way? Again with the talking points...


[you dont have the write a book to make an understandable point with real examples]

[Aesir]

First of all, depending on what religion you are of course, God doesn't punish people for not being morale until the afterlife. He gave us free will remember. So to think that he is going to crush a society for that is just plain stupid.

Second of all, lets drop all religion from the conversation of our society. There is a seperation of church and state, so to say that we have been a god-fearing society is pretty iffy if you ask me. Now it was created so that people could have religious freedom, but wasn't created as some religious government.

Third of all, to me this American society full of dreams of richness was bound to fall from the beginning. Starting to look more and more like the book 1984. A bunch of lobbyists created a capitalist society instead of a democracy. And, what is money? The root of all evil. Anyways, this is just my opinion and I already know a bunch of people are gonna come in here and hate on this so bring it on. lol

[iDeaL]

its kinda funny reading this type of stuff, being from california.

the person who said people get looked down upon for not following religious guidelines, and something else about the school system promoting it.

It's NOTHING like that in california, cus its sucha liberal state. So i reallllllly cant understand where ur coming from loubez. But Im sure it IS that way where your from.

[loubez]

Originally Posted by 8th

Let this be your [one and only] warning, stick to the issues, leave out the name calling.



Who does? In what way? Again with the talking points...


[you dont have the write a book to make an understandable point with real examples]

que pinga bro....im giving yall niggas some credit, not just spouting talking points....or maybe im just really really smart and i need to break down the obvious.

its easy take oh i dont know american democratic politics.....nah take bushes early years and how buddys parle'd his new "born again" status into widespread mainstream support for pretty much anything dude had to say. look at how the democracts are trying to slip in lil "im pro god" rhetoric into their speaches now.....sheeeit its on the cover of last weeks time. the shit that goes in these elections reflects mainstream americas thinking and values. shit these mufuckas almost got science teachers talking about the possiblity of "intellegent design" like its a real theroy.

thats why you got lil threads like these, shit should not even be a discussion...im from south florida, got churches on every fucking corner and synagouges across the street from the churches with mosques posted in the cut, you try to get into a discussion out here with regular people bout a film like "what the bleep do we know" and 9 out of ten times somebody gonna call it a lie of the devil.

Ideal, you gotta remember that cali dont rep america that place is on some other shit (that aint a bad thing)

it reaches into the education system because you got these same elected officials (at least in florida) who are backed by the 40 churches in the city scared to break the status quo.

why the fuck you think they preach abstience in school, not cause its the most reasonable realistic choice, but because the church still got a big hold on mainstream thinking, and the church say niggas cant be fucking till they get permission from the church.

you ever stop think about how many less lil hoes would be walking around school with one in if health teachers could actually give it to the kids raw, let em know how the real world is, educate them as far as different types of birth control, the side effects, the effectiveness. think about if these lil hoes could go get a nuva ring or a three month shot, at 15 and it wasnt taboo.

but nah you cant have 15 year olds running around with effective birth control, they would be fucking all the time and taking xtc and sucking all types of dick.....dont know about ya'll niggas high school years but this shit was the real mainstream.

in conclusion niggas, the reward for memorizing fairy tales in acceptence by mainstream america (this applies to politicians, i know niggas on the forum roll hard, are real to the bone, and dont care who accecpts them). The education in this country sucks because eventhough it isnt obvious to some the church has a hold of what is accecptable to teach. and lastly people are ostricized for looking to an evil thing called "science", if you disagree turn on the goddamn news.


now.....8th, did you really want to know or are you just stalking me?

[scottu]

since when did we have such a terrible life?

[impolite]

you people are making this about god when its meant to be about morality. you dont need the fear of god to be a good person. and frankly, there is a scarcity of good people in the world. hence a massive dearth of morality.


americans are pigs, but so is everyone else. america just has more of them becaus there are alot more people there.

and to that foolish statement about how desires are attainable in the US and thats why theyre amoral, thats ridiculous and stupid. as if desires arent attainable anywhere else. youve been listening to that propaganda rubbish your credential-lacking media feeds you about how the rest of us in the world are so jealous and envious of your stupid country that we're driven to hate and resent it.

you think they dont have universities in saudi arabia? grow up, everyone has opportunities and if they dont, who cares, they can always go to america and take advantage of your open minded freedoms, right. most of you people think america is so great becaus its accepting of other cultures and selfless and full of chances for anyone who wants to make a living, what bullshit is that. americans resent the foreigners who enter their country, even if they are legal.


you people have no freedom whatsoever. you think becaus youve a democratic means of voting that you have a voice as a lowly citizen. if any of you people had a voice in your own country, bush would not have been elected the first time around. your elections are fixed, your free speech is mute and your ability to coerce your government as a majority to back out of a pointless and amoral war is long since declined.

and i KNOW a whole bunch of americans are going to rush in here right about now and tell me i dont know shit and that im just as ignorant as im claiming you all are, and youre such hypocrites. ive never met an american who didnt criticize everything about their country, but as soon as a foreigner agrees with them that america is a lost cause, you suddenly sprout out some patriotism and start getting defensive like you never once questioned your presidents intentions.


but onto the morality issue..

this world is dog eat dog. sociopaths succeed, good people fail. the whole theory is that if you work hard and try your best, youll break out beautifully in the end. and it becomes apparent to everyone at some point that its bullshit. someone is always willing to throw you off course just to get themselves ahead, everywhere you go.

forget about god altogether. you shouldnt need to be afraid of judgement or gods wrath to be inspired to try being a genuine and good person. you should just do it becaus you know its right, regardless. but human beings have put so many lines in addition to the first one which was meant to separate good from bad, that we cant even know for sure whats true about ethical decision making anymore. it was once that if you killed someone,you were bad. now if you kill someone whos killed someone else, youre good. how many specifications can you make to a good or bad deed until it becomes like youre just trying to make it convenient for yourself. using new and profound excuses to right your own wrongs so that they no longer seem wrong anymore.


and that is the essence of religion as well. you change it a little bit everytime, so that it better accomodates yourself and how you live your life.


ps. 8th, youre always placing so much animosity onto the muslims. its funny to me that the IRA can have been committing acts of terrorism for so many decades and no one assumes all catholics are terrorists for it. since ofcourse, all of you god complex carrying white americans are very approving of catholicism.