Immigration

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Being an illegal immigrant and helping one is a now a felony.

Here's what another bill does

It takes care of the illegal immigration problem by legalizing most everyone. It grants a virtual amnesty to the estimated 12 million people here illegally. And it creates a guest-worker program for 400,000 workers each year — with a path to citizenship. President Bush likes this approach.

Now, how do you feel about illegal immigrants, your problems, solutions?

Chris, just stay your dumbass out this thread. I'm not gonna respond to your ignorant bullshit, so I thought I'd give you a heads up.


How I feel about it:

Being an illegal immigrate is wrong, that's why it's called illegal but I don't think the punishment fits the crime. A Felony is too much for someone trying to just make a living, and jails are over-populated enough. There was a string of jail fights in california between mexicans and blacks. This won't help any. Putting someone in jail for trying to live thier life, is an extremely inhumane punishment.

As far as border control goes, I think the amnesty program which we got from other countries should help some get here the right way. After they finish thier work stint, I'm sure more often then not they will get to stay here in the US and with real wages.

P.S. Legalizing the illegal ones already here is a great move, imo.

[R. Hayze]

I hate the thought of immigrants.
Before I go on, I dont know how immigration and the process of becoming Americanized legally works, so I may come off as ignorant or just plain stupid but...
I think they should all be located, and screened thorougly. Im talking work history and all that good shit. Find out what they've been doing and create a program designed to seperate those who have been attempting to create a positive form of living for themself and those who have just leeched society. That way you can distinguish what punishment is suffice for the alien in question. How this could be done? I dont know. Could it be done with the tens of millions already here? Probably not. But Im def not OK with the thought of somebody here illegally. If you want to be here take a fucking citizenship test.

[Boogie Smalls]

This won't help any. Putting someone in jail for trying to live thier life, is an extremely inhumane punishment.

But they usually send them back, which is dumb since 2 days later they have somehow managed to come back across, so jail time for repeated offenders is the best thing. That way
once they get sent back they wont want to come back for "fear" of going to jail.

P.S. Legalizing the illegal ones already here is a great move, imo

I highly disagree with that comment. those people who came here illegally should not
be given any special treatment, they should have to go through the same process that all
other immigrants go through to earn there citizenship.

Plus they leech off welfare and cost taxpayers lots of money in the long run.
So I say fuck 'em...

But Im def not OK with the thought of somebody here illegally. If you want to be here take a fucking citizenship test.

Word..
And make them learn english...
What I find dumb is people who been here 10-15 years and don't
fucking speak english. That's just stupid.

[Fluent]

The people who come here illegally typically aren't doing any sheisty shit because they'd be found and deported as soon as they did. I think this whole thing is a joke. It isn't like they are going to really try to find and deport 12 million people, no democratic country would do that. It's a decent scare tactic.

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Originally Posted by donate to PBS

P.S. Legalizing the illegal ones already here is a great move, imo.

^that was done by ronald regan in 86. He gace amnesty to 3 Million illegals and that was going to supposivley stop it. Now we have 12 million and they cost us 65 BILLION dollars a year.

We need to make it a felony. It IS sad that these people cant make a good living in there own country and i respect the fact they want to make a life for there family, but you have to do it legaly. If not, you slapping everyone in the face that is doing it legaly. And to say its "to hard" to come here legal, your probably right. But its also really hard to become a millionaire. So instead of working and saving my whole life im going to rob a bank. After all im just making a better life for me and my family. see what i mean? the sad truth is we can let everyone in this country, there just isnt enough room. We let in 1 million immagrants a year and thats a good amount. But we need to put the people that hire them in jail, cut off licenses, health care, welfare, and education to illegals and they will leave by themselves.

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^word up

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I forgot I made this thread, I'll read and respond when I get back.

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Originally Posted by R. Skum

I hate the thought of immigrants.
Before I go on, I dont know how immigration and the process of becoming Americanized legally works, so I may come off as ignorant or just plain stupid but...
I think they should all be located, and screened thorougly. Im talking work history and all that good shit. Find out what they've been doing and create a program designed to seperate those who have been attempting to create a positive form of living for themself and those who have just leeched society. That way you can distinguish what punishment is suffice for the alien in question. How this could be done? I dont know. Could it be done with the tens of millions already here? Probably not. But Im def not OK with the thought of somebody here illegally. If you want to be here take a fucking citizenship test.

It takes an average of 10 years waiting to get here legally from Mexico.(this is word of mouth, I dont have enough time to make sure what was said was true, but seeing how the woman is apart of the media I'm gonna assumed she researched it) You're right they should be screened thoroughly, I think border control should be a top priority.

Now for Boogie.

"But they usually send them back, which is dumb since 2 days later they have somehow managed to come back across, so jail time for repeated offenders is the best thing. That way
once they get sent back they wont want to come back for "fear" of going to jail."

They should strengthen border control, so they don't comeback illegally. Where did you get the info that they comeback 2 days later from? It's not jail time for repeat offenders, it's just jail time for offending. Jail time for trying to live a better life.

I highly disagree with that comment. those people who came here illegally should not
be given any special treatment, they should have to go through the same process that all
other immigrants go through to earn there citizenship.

Plus they leech off welfare and cost taxpayers lots of money in the long run.
So I say fuck 'em...

Once they become legal, THEY BECOME TAX PAYERS, and Companies will be forced to pay them Real wages. No money under the table, it helps the economy.

^that was done by ronald regan in 86. He gace amnesty to 3 Million illegals and that was going to supposivley stop it. Now we have 12 million and they cost us 65 BILLION dollars a year.

We need to make it a felony. It IS sad that these people cant make a good living in there own country and i respect the fact they want to make a life for there family, but you have to do it legaly. If not, you slapping everyone in the face that is doing it legaly. And to say its "to hard" to come here legal, your probably right. But its also really hard to become a millionaire. So instead of working and saving my whole life im going to rob a bank. After all im just making a better life for me and my family. see what i mean? the sad truth is we can let everyone in this country, there just isnt enough room. We let in 1 million immagrants a year and thats a good amount. But we need to put the people that hire them in jail, cut off licenses, health care, welfare, and education to illegals and they will leave by themselves.

It was part of Reagonomics, the economy boomed partially because of that. There is nothing wrong with legalizing citizens, it's a plus. They won't cost us anything more than you or I do the moment they become legal.

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Originally Posted by donate to PBS

There is nothing wrong with legalizing citizens, it's a plus. They won't cost us anything more than you or I do the moment they become legal.

There is something wrong with giving a prize to people that broke the law and came here illegaly. What about the people that are waiting in line and doing it the right way? we gunna say fuck you, these people broke? Then why would anyone do it the right way if we reward people for breaking our laws.

and illegal immagrants cost us $65 BILLION A YEAR. thats for licenses, health care, education, welfare and etc. plus 30% of federal prisioners are illegal immegrants.

This is a serious problem that we need to fix and rewarding lawbreakers is not the way to do it.

[Fluxion]

the whole illegal immigrant scenario can turn out to be a huge problem if it doesn't get taken care of. a lot of people are losing jobs because these illegal immigrants will take jobs for less money than the people already here. There has been a lot of black people filing lawsuits over this issue claiming that the illegal immigrants are taking their jobs(i guess that is up for debate though).This also effects young people because they are taking jobs that most young people, who do not have any experience, could be filling right now. another thing is that there is a percentage of illegal immigrants in prison that cost the U.S. $350 million a year. it's a part of the reason why california is in debt right now. I do not know about the other countries, but i know Mexico has a corrupt government which has turned out a poor economy. thier middle class is smaller than their rich class and their poor class is huge. they are trying to get away from their corrupt government and i can understand that much. this is a difficult issue.

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Originally Posted by 8th

There is something wrong with giving a prize to people that broke the law and came here illegaly. What about the people that are waiting in line and doing it the right way? we gunna say fuck you, these people broke? Then why would anyone do it the right way if we reward people for breaking our laws.

and illegal immagrants cost us $65 BILLION A YEAR. thats for licenses, health care, education, welfare and etc. plus 30% of federal prisioners are illegal immegrants.

This is a serious problem that we need to fix and rewarding lawbreakers is not the way to do it.

I looked it up, and its only around 30 billion(note that african americans caus even more of a deficit from taxes, maybe I should go back to Africa to help you out. ), a big difference from that capslock 65 you were talking about tho. How much do we spend on this war that nobody wants to be in, and NASAA every year? Yet you're complaining about 30 billion dollars that gos towards helping people who actually need to be helped. The taxes aren't even that bad, it's not killing you any to pay for them, you posting on the internet. You got it good. Just because someone comes in here legally, it doesn't mean the person waiting can't come here. It has no effect on them, and kudos to them for waiting, but who cares.


Fluxion's

he whole illegal immigrant scenario can turn out to be a huge problem if it doesn't get taken care of. a lot of people are losing jobs because these illegal immigrants will take jobs for less money than the people already here. There has been a lot of black people filing lawsuits over this issue claiming that the illegal immigrants are taking their jobs(i guess that is up for debate though).This also effects young people because they are taking jobs that most young people, who do not have any experience, could be filling right now. another thing is that there is a percentage of illegal immigrants in prison that cost the U.S. $350 million a year. it's a part of the reason why california is in debt right now. I do not know about the other countries, but i know Mexico has a corrupt government which has turned out a poor economy. thier middle class is smaller than their rich class and their poor class is huge. they are trying to get away from their corrupt government and i can understand that much. this is a difficult issue.


The job thing is a problem, but hopefully it should be getting better with the amnesty. Because if they become legal, then they should be asking for legal wages. People will prolly still want to use mexicans tho because they are genuinely are workers. Another problem is all the companies outsourcing. There are so many companies based in the US that have people laboring in places like India for there product. Everyone is trying to avoid American soil, and Bush has done nothing to stop it. He won't stop it either, too many of his colleagues do it. If it was illegal to outsource there would be millions of jobs, and nobody would be crying about losing thier job to anyone.

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Originally Posted by donate to PBS

I looked it up, and its only around 30 billion(note that african americans caus even more of a deficit from taxes, maybe I should go back to Africa to help you out. ), \

^im talking illegal aliens....if there illegal africans then yes. Im italian..if there are a group of illegal italians then they should go home to.

and if its no problem to you lemme ask you this. Would you mind if someone broke into your house and just started living there? they took your food, they stole money from each of your paychecks, and if they had a baby while living illegaly in your house, then they can stay forever legally. They would just take what ever they wanted. but i guess since you have money and "your on the internet, you got it good" you wouldn't mind right? cause i mean there just trying to better themselves. i mean you have stuff they want. So if you really believe that anyone that wants to come into our country can just walk in with out doing it legally, you should leave your front door wide open when you go to work every day.

Originally Posted by donate to PBS

The job thing is a problem, but hopefully it should be getting better with the amnesty. Because if they become legal, then they should be asking for legal wages.

^ so lets say we give the 12 million illegal aliens amnesty and then they start getting paid legal wages....do you really think more illegal aliens wouldnt just come in and take the jobs and the same slave wages the first batch of illegals had? amnesty wont solve the problem...it will make things worse.

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Think about it your saying that once they (the immigrants) become legal there gonna ask for a "raise" in payment. But do you believe that these multi-million dollar companies are gonna actually pay them. The reason that these companies hire them is because there cheap labor, the companies save money by using them, and knowing that they can't do anything about it.

There are so many companies based in the US that have people laboring in places like India for there product.

A quick solution to this would be to make all the products in Mexico. Kill 2 birds with one stone. The immigration problem starts, and the compaines save money by not having to pay shipping to another continent.

and if its no problem to you lemme ask you this. Would you mind if someone broke into your house and just started living there? they took your food, they stole money from each of your paychecks, and if they had a baby while living illegaly in your house, then they can stay forever legally. They would just take what ever they wanted. but i guess since you have money and "your on the internet, you got it good" you wouldn't mind right? cause i mean there just trying to better themselves. i mean you have stuff they want. So if you really believe that anyone that wants to come into our country can just walk in with out doing it legally, you should leave your front door wide open when you go to work every day.

Makes a very good point..

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Originally Posted by 8th

^im talking illegal aliens....if there illegal africans then yes. Im italian..if there are a group of illegal italians then they should go home to.

and if its no problem to you lemme ask you this. Would you mind if someone broke into your house and just started living there? they took your food, they stole money from each of your paychecks, and if they had a baby while living illegaly in your house, then they can stay forever legally. They would just take what ever they wanted. but i guess since you have money and "your on the internet, you got it good" you wouldn't mind right? cause i mean there just trying to better themselves. i mean you have stuff they want. So if you really believe that anyone that wants to come into our country can just walk in with out doing it legally, you should leave your front door wide open when you go to work every day.



^ so lets say we give the 12 million illegal aliens amnesty and then they start getting paid legal wages....do you really think more illegal aliens wouldnt just come in and take the jobs and the same slave wages the first batch of illegals had? amnesty wont solve the problem...it will make things worse.

Illegal Aliens actually do pay taxes, just not as much. With the amnesty they will become legal, and pay even more. I wouldn't be suprised if the latin community already contributes more than african americans. I'm not defending illegal aliens, but my beef is the way it's being handled.

You're a fucking idiot for all that breaking into my home bullshit.

I'm not gonna answer that until someone else enters this thread and explains to me how what you just said is a valid point.


Edit: I was talking about illegal aliens as well, it's 30 billion. NOT 65, altho numbers vary from site to site. The numbers I got is from the census http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

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how do you not understand that comparison? how is it different? its on a smaller scale but how is it different? and seriously, ur gunna resort to name calling? it is a very valid point. you think we should allow anyone into the country because there just trying to better themselves. which for the most part is true. but this country is OUR house. you cant not just go breaking into peoples houses and stealing what you want from them because they live nicer than you do. that doesn't make sense to you? you really dont see the comparison? if you dont leave your front door open and allow people to come and go as they please and take what they want, why should this country leave our door [the border] open and let people come and go and take what they want.

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Originally Posted by B.Knights

Think about it your saying that once they (the immigrants) become legal there gonna ask for a "raise" in payment. But do you believe that these multi-million dollar companies are gonna actually pay them. The reason that these companies hire them is because there cheap labor, the companies save money by using them, and knowing that they can't do anything about it.

They can do something about it once they become legal. Companies can either pay them the right way or fire them. It's a matter of ethics

Makes a very good point..

They can do something about it once they become legal. Companies can either pay them the right way or fire them. It's a matter of ethics.

Originally Posted by 8th

how do you not understand that comparison? how is it different? its on a smaller scale but how is it different? and seriously, ur gunna resort to name calling? it is a very valid point. you think we should allow anyone into the country because there just trying to better themselves. which for the most part is true. but this country is OUR house. you cant not just go breaking into peoples houses and stealing what you want from them because they live nicer than you do. that doesn't make sense to you? you really dont see the comparison? if you dont leave your front door open and allow people to come and go as they please and take what they want, why should this country leave our door [the border] open and let people come and go and take what they want.

Did I say let anyone come in here? I said multiple times in this thread that I'm for strong border control and screening.