im opening for Too Short and Bun B tonight...

[iDeaL]

Originally Posted by E.Seether

Isn't rapping under Too Short like a demotion in the Rap World?

Bun B will probably just shake his head at you.


I want to see pics of this shit. With the correct date & time. I'm suspicious that you're being suspect.

how is rapping under too short and bun b a demotion? They packed up the house of blues JUST like talib kweli did when i opened for him. I was outside watching scalpers sell tickets for 45/50 a pop.

dont got last nites pics up yet, but click my myspace in my sig and check the "talib kweli show" album.

i really wont care to prove myself to u after that. peace

[E.Seether]

*dead*
I didn't mention Bun B as a demotion. The fuck? How do we know you aren't just surveying what another guy is doing & posting up his achievements? I've never heard of a rapper called iDeal. Sounds like some wanna be iTunes or iTrap bullshit. Plus the whiteboy in your avy looks like the one who mainly has concerts in Cali. BTW I'll have his name later.

Ok iTry. If you're becoming successful why post on a rapsite where no one can be sure you did it. If you make a youtube about this bitching that some guy named E.Seether called you fake or if you reply to this saying something like "Fuck you you're a newb who cares what you think." You basically prove my point either way. Stay on this site & try harder.


*dead twice*
Check your myspace you're called The Natural. Look up the show Tha Natural performed. Searched for pics. None so far. But I didn't check your profile for pics. I checked the entire web.

[iDeaL]

"The fuck? How do we know you aren't just surveying what another guy is doing & posting up his achievements?"

very simple.

timelines. You, being a new member dont have any way of knowing. So i understand ur skepticism.

I started here in 2004 as j-keith. People heard my music when i started audio at the very end of 2004. I was extremely wack, so i had no reason to pretend to be that person. I posted regular pics of me and friends and shit. So people knew how i look. There was no performances back then.

My name changed to ideal in 2005/6. Kept posting more music on here. The voice on the music was STILL the same, except i improved. Started doign shows...small shows.

Posted pics, and the face was still mine, adn the crowd was extremely EMPTY. SO i had no reason to pretend to be that person.

I made a thread on here talking about how i couldnt use "ideal" and how its copywritten by an R&B group who dropped an album in 1999 under interscope or universal or someone huge.

Changed it to the natural.
The voice that you hear on "the natural"s music myspace is the same exact voice that people heard when i was ideal and J-keith. the pictures on their is of the SAME person who was j-keith and ideal. Athousand people on this website called rapflava.com can vouch for me.

and about "the white boy from cali". First, i AM from cali. More specifically, los angeles. And secondly, im mexican. Not white.

Go on my myspace and check my about me. It tells u how i changed my name from ideal to the natural.

and the ONE and only thing i told u to do was to simply check my pics on myspace and thats the ONE and only thing u refused to do. The pic from my avy is still in my albums of old pics, if im not mistaken. Go check it out for urself.

and why would i be on this site? Cus ive been here since i started making music, and im STILl an unsigned 21 year old who has no reason NOT to be on here. im not famous, im not known.

over the last year ive put in a lot of work and got to open for the likes of too short, bun b, ying yang twins, half of cypress hill, tonedeff, pack fm, mims, yung berg, baby bash, tlaib kweli, paula deanda, etc

im very grateful, and the most humble dude on this site.

I really dont know what more to say to u, but thats about it.

fact is, i have what? 2000 posts on here? everyones known me since 2004 when i was "j-keith"

the guy who RUNS this site is named Avarice, and is from orange county...he's been invited to all my shows.

he was on the guestlist for the talib kweli show and ended up texting me that he could not make it.

its 3 years of psots, pictures, and audios that ive done. How could I have faked anything?

kos has met me...avarice has met me.

If u have any more arguments, ill alow other people to speak for me, cus i really dont care anymore

[E.Seether]

That whole break down was.........too long. I'll be honest. I skimmed through most of it. Read what was important. If you say it's you then ignore me. The white dude from Cali is either BusDriver or Sage Francis. Never said it was YOU I simply said it looked to be him.

I haven 15K post on another site. But in all is probably 25-30K. Been on there since '04. Most post were given to me for being a respectful member.

I'm new here but I probably won't dwindle long.

Good Luck Mate.(no homo in the word)

[iDeaL]

Originally Posted by E.Seether

That whole break down was.........too long. I'll be honest. I skimmed through most of it. Read what was important. If you say it's you then ignore me. The white dude from Cali is either BusDriver or Sage Francis. Never said it was YOU I simply said it looked to be him.

I haven 15K post on another site. But in all is probably 25-30K. Been on there since '04. Most post were given to me for being a respectful member.

I'm new here but I probably won't dwindle long.

Good Luck Mate.(no homo in the word)

well i started off with a small explanation...and it left too much room for u to explore the possibilities of me lying. The longer the explanation, the more chance for me to be caught lying, if i was a fraud. So u can easily see all that and not find any contradicting shit, u know?

busdriver is a black dude from palmdale. Palmdale is like...2 hours north...out in the valley or some shit....and sage francis most certainly wont be wearing a fitted cap and a sports jacket lol

i caught dude performign at rock the bells in 06 and he was dressed like a monk or some shit lmao.

[E.Seether]

Originally Posted by iDeaL

well i started off with a small explanation...and it left too much room for u to explore the possibilities of me lying. The longer the explanation, the more chance for me to be caught lying, if i was a fraud. So u can easily see all that and not find any contradicting shit, u know?

busdriver is a black dude from palmdale. Palmdale is like...2 hours north...out in the valley or some shit....and sage francis most certainly wont be wearing a fitted cap and a sports jacket lol

i caught dude performign at rock the bells in 06 and he was dressed like a monk or some shit lmao.

Well damn the white dude is bigger than the black idk. I went with size not color haha.
Trust me man I can make anything seem contradicting. It's a skill.
Sage Francis can get a cut & slim some ya know.
WTF dressed like a monk? He's fuckin up now.

[Mistuh Grippz]

Wow.. this niggah said openin for Short Dogg would be a demotion?! LOL.. Too Short and Bun B are legends in hip hop, livin fukkin legends. Stick to ya back pack rap kiddo, this treal hip hop shit aint for you.

[E.Seether]

Number 1 it's Trill. I hardly see Too Short as a legend. Bun B yes he is. Too Short not in my eyes. Stick to selling clean opinions cause the messy ones ain't working. Back pack rap? LMAO. Nice try but 9/10 you're the one listening to "back pack rap."

P.S. I didn't know Jibb$ was white...WTF

BTW if Lupe Fiasco is back pack rap then I guess I'm a herb after all.

[Vick Slate]

indeed a herb you are^^

congrats Josh

[Mistuh Grippz]

Actually I spell it treal, truthfully real. Short Dogg from the UGK not a legend... ?? Ok.. peep the track record... *ahem*

* 1983: Don't Stop Rappin'
* 1985: Players
* 1987: Raw, Uncut, and X-Rated
* 1988: Born to Mack
* 1988: Life Is...Too Short
* 1990: Short Dog's in the House
* 1992: Shorty the Pimp
* 1993: Get in Where You Fit In
* 1993: Greatest Hits, Vol. 1: The Player Years, 1983-1988
* 1995: Cocktails
* 1996: Gettin' It
* 1999: Can't Stay Away
* 2000: You Nasty
* 2001: Chase the Cat
* 2002: What's My Favorite Word?
* 2003: Married to the Game
* 2006: Blow the Whistle
* 2006: Pimpin' Incorporated
* 2006: Gangstas & Strippers: Mix
* 2006: Mack of the Century...Greatest Hits
* 2007: Bible of a Pimp
* 2007: I Love the Bay (with the Up All Nite Family)
* 2007: Get Off the Stage

Check, mate. Also he co-owned the label all these records were put out on, Up All Nite Records... that's before all these cats started makin their own labels.

I'm new here but I probably won't dwindle long.

Word, that's prolly for the best since ya aint up on this hip hop shit. It's aiite though, Too $hort was most likely before ya time anyway, jittabug. Damn.. how many times can this niggah get shitted on in one thread?!

[Details Ideal]

Wow. Congrats on that! Rockin with legends.

[E.Seether]

*dead* @ Vick Slate & Jibb$ thinking they are better than me even if I'm in my worse.

Too Short is not a legend in my fuckin' eyes you dumb fuck. I'm gettin' shitted on? Seriously. If Lupe Fiasco is back pack rap then you stand no chance at logical rap. Get a fuckin' clue. You nor Vick Slate are half of what rap is.

Trill not Treal.

[Monstrosity]

booo seether

[Vick Slate]

hahahhahaha

[E.Seether]

I can easily say. Monstrosity your sig makes no sense. & Vick Slate...........I'm simply above you.