I thought the Origin of Hip Hop was common knowledge but.... - Hip Hop/Rap Music and Urban Social Network Community

**Queenspittah** · 01-31-2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by run

rap is not a black culture. rap is part of hiphops culture. which is universal.

just because a white person likes hip hop and wears fitteds, doesnt mean they go round saying nigga and wanting to be black.

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Originally Posted by -JinX-

^ Wordup...

How in the world does someone who doesn't even know the origin of Hip Hop or Rap roots become a MOD on a Hip Hop and Rap site?? This beyond me. So now we don't get credit for Hip Hop...it's just Universal all of a sudden n came from no where?? How dare you try to take that accoplishment from us??!! We created a culture in a country that we aren't even treated fairly in....do you know how hard that is...n now it's gon over seas and universal and no one wants to acknowledge that blacks were the originators...Hip Hop is a black American culture!! SO ifyou dressin Hip Hop and listenin to Hip Hop you are celebrating a black American culture. Hip Hop was not born all over the world...it was born in New York by blacks and hispanics and has since become ACCEPTED UNIVERSALLY. This is sad... WHy do you hate us so much that you can't even give us credit for the obvious...WOW...SMH is all I can do cause I can't believe you just tried to say that Hip Hop isn't a black culture... First youwant the right to call us "Nigga(er)" freely again n now you wanna take the credit of Hip Hop away from us...This is really amazing to me...is anyone else believeing this....??

**StarStudded** · 01-31-2007, 09:19 AM

okay. in ways you are right and you are mos def wrong in others.

hip hop wasnt created by solely black ppl.. the first graffiti and dj's were white. your lookin at the hardcore aspect of rap.. and its not ignorant its common.. but hip hop was made by a group of ppl over the years.. it wasnt just made in one day by one person.. hip hop was a aquired name over the years for the culture.

oh yeah. and im not white. im half black/half spanish. so its safe to say this is common from a POV that your comin from.

run's a mod here not onli because he knows what hes doin.. he clears up the forums and helps members.. thats what a mod should do.. you beg to differ. mod spots arent awarded to ppl based on hip hop originiality.. or successfully answerin 21 questions.. its to ppl that keep the forum runnin smooth.

good topic to bring up i admit. and i thank you for that.. but just calm down.

**jube jube** · 01-31-2007, 09:22 AM

I think we should all listen to smooth jazz.

And shutup.

- jube wisdom

**Queenspittah** · 01-31-2007, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by StarStudded

okay. in ways you are right and you are mos def wrong in others.

hip hop wasnt created by solely black ppl.. the first graffiti and dj's were white.

Nah...the first DJ was wit Cool Herc n he wasn't white. N graffiti started in the ghettos where about 1% of the population was white...what are you talkin about?? Hip Hop as well as rap, R n B, Jazz, Funk...the list goes on...was inspired and created solely by people of color. That doesn't mean that there aren't any white hip hop pioneers...but the craft itself was created by blacks and hispanics. PERIOD!

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Originally Posted by StarStudded

your lookin at the hardcore aspect of rap.. and its not ignorant its common.. but hip hop was made by a group of ppl over the years.. it wasnt just made in one day by one person.. hip hop was a aquired name over the years for the culture...

WOw where are you from?? Hip Hop was born n bred in NY by blacks in the ghettos of Brooklyn. No it wasn't made in one day by one person(WTF!?)...but during the 70's by the blacks in NY and the name wasn't aquired over the years...it was established when the genre was introduced as a blend of Bee Bop and other secular music trends. It's been know as Hip Hop all along it's course. WOw!

oh yeah. and im not white. im half black/half spanish. so its safe to say this is common from a POV that your comin from.

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Originally Posted by StarStudded

run's a mod here not onli because he knows what hes doin.. he clears up the forums and helps members.. thats what a mod should do.. you beg to differ. mod spots arent awarded to ppl based on hip hop originiality.. or successfully answerin 21 questions.. its to ppl that keep the forum runnin smooth.

Point taken. But I just feel like if you a MOD for a board you should at least know ya history about what you modding. If I was a MOD for Microsoft.com but didn't know jack about CPU's but was always talking and making comments like I did and giving credit for CPU inovations to people who didn't inovate, how idiotic would that be...But continue to do your great job modding Run. We really appreciate it...just keep ignorant comments about Hip Hop null n void n we all good.

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Originally Posted by StarStudded

good topic to bring up i admit. and i thank you for that.. but just calm down.

I'm calm but it's like whites have no respect for blacks on here. They continue to call us "nigga(er)" on here after a poll shows that more people find it offensive coming from whites...and now they wanna take away from the fact that Hip Hop culture was CREATED and ORIGINATED by blacks no matter how many people have come to accpet it over the years. Put faces of color on ya Hip Hop currency n stop tyrna take EVERYTHING away from us.

**Christ** · 01-31-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Queenspittah

How in the world does someone who doesn't even know the origin of Hip Hop or Rap roots become a MOD on a Hip Hop and Rap site?? This beyond me. So now we don't get credit for Hip Hop...it's just Universal all of a sudden n came from no where?? How dare you try to take that accoplishment from us??!! We created a culture in a country that we aren't even treated fairly in....do you know how hard that is...n now it's gon over seas and universal and no one wants to acknowledge that blacks were the originators...Hip Hop is a black American culture!! SO ifyou dressin Hip Hop and listenin to Hip Hop you are celebrating a black American culture. Hip Hop was not born all over the world...it was born in New York by blacks and hispanics and has since become ACCEPTED UNIVERSALLY. This is sad... WHy do you hate us so much that you can't even give us credit for the obvious...WOW...SMH is all I can do cause I can't believe you just tried to say that Hip Hop isn't a black culture... First youwant the right to call us "Nigga(er)" freely again n now you wanna take the credit of Hip Hop away from us...This is really amazing to me...is anyone else believeing this....??

Wow....I could've said it better...But this is suffice.

**Phonix** · 01-31-2007, 10:33 AM

If thats the case you stand by.

Fuck any black person who ever picked up a guitar.

As you can see now he was reffering to how it has evolved, not it's origin.

**Queenspittah** · 01-31-2007, 10:43 AM

See...^^n the hatred comes....I didn't insult any white person or take anything away from the inovations you've made...you guys rule Classical Music! Just cause it's not as universally celebrated as Hip hop seems to be that's not good enough. WHites have to be involved or the inventor of EVERYTHING!!?? Nah...people of color created Hip Hop...why are whites folks acting like this is an offense to them to acknowledge???

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Originally Posted by Royal Touch

wow, queen... please excuse the rant i will try to avoid but most likely not be able to...

when hip-hop was created there was no pin point location name or race... and many were involved in the initial evolution of the music including white people... music spawns off of itself meaning genre's have inspiration outside of itself.... its not a "BLACK" culture... it is simply a culture, whether popularized by the african-american community or not.... this is not the place(net) to attempt to establish hip hop as the black music... it really isn't fair or impartial so dont do it second of all listenin to the music and wearin fitteds make us wanna be like you...? thats not neccassarily true what about people who grew up between 7 mile and mt clements michigan that grew up around that fashionable influence... its not as simple as you want to make it and comming from someone who wasn't around to bare witness to any of this doesn't give us much truths in your statement... so please don't argue about the only thing we agree on here... Hip-Hop

with all due respect, One.

Yo Chist(the memeber not the Saviour)... can you believe this...^^?? Dude said "it isn't fair" to say that HIp Hop was created by people of color!! How is "it not fair" to give credit where credit is due. That's like sayin it's not fair to give credit to Italians for pasta since my mom cooks pasta too! SO what! Just cause you've adapted Hip Hop and like it doesn't change where it was originated. Yes there are many forms of HIp Hop out there but the original culture of Hip Hop was birthed by people of color in the hood! PERIOD. Why are people trying to take that away. It's like anything good n this influential couldn't have been created by blacks so they take that away from us too n simply lable it as a "universal acheivement". SMH still....This is even crazier than I thought...!

**Phonix** · 01-31-2007, 10:46 AM

I wasn't hating at all.

I honestly think you just misinterpretated what RUN was saying.

NOWDAYS..Hip Hop is a culture for all different races..white, black, indian, chinese...despite that it was created by black people.

^^
That was my point...by using that rediculous example of the guitar i was trying to put it across to you.

I see where you're coming from, but i believe nobody was taking anything away from black people in the origin of hip hop..more expressing how mult cultured it is now

**Queenspittah** · 01-31-2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Phonix

As you can see now he was reffering to how it has evolved, not it's origin.

WTF. Hip Hop hasn't EVOLVED it's only been accepted by different cultures..if it had evolved then it wouldn't be Hip Hop anymore but a new music genre created from Hip Hop....like R n B is a genre created from Blues and Jazz. All this just to take away from what blacks have contributed to this world. We can't get credit for anything this massively accpeted huh?? Wow...keep em comin haterz...

**Phonix** · 01-31-2007, 10:49 AM

It's like trying to talk to a brick wall.

**Queenspittah** · 01-31-2007, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Phonix

I wasn't hating at all.

I honestly think you just misinterpretated what RUN was saying.

NOWDAYS..Hip Hop is a culture for all different races..white, black, indian, chinese...despite that it was created by black people.

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That was my point...by using that rediculous example of the guitar i was trying to put it across to you.

I see where you're coming from, but i believe nobody was taking anything away from black people in the origin of hip hop..more expressing how mult cultured it is now

No..maybe YOU ARE making that point...but what run said is CLEARLY stated n you can't change another mans statement. WHat he said is that Hip Hop is not a black culture. And it is...PERIOD. Nn matter how many races have accepted it.

Think of it like this...no matter how many people start wearing Kilts that is a Scottish dress of culture. No matter how popular it becomes an African person can't just come n say that thats an African culture just because they like it. It's still a Scottish culture and that doesn't change just because of how popular it becomes or how you might change the colors or the design on the kilt it's still Scottish dress of their people n culture.PERIOD. Same with HIp Hop...

**Phonix** · 01-31-2007, 11:02 AM

You mean maybe I'm perceiving his statement wrong.

So you're comparing new music to traditon over alot more years than HipHop has existed?

No..

You can't just compare to completley independant situations of each other because it allows you to manipulate them into making your incorrect point right.

So can Black people be part of a Rock culture?

So can Black people be part of a "Insert invention here" culture?

Just because Black people invented Hip Hop does not mean the culture soley belongs to them.
Sure...the credit is there for Hip Hops origin, that's undeniable....but NOW..the culture has expanded universal.

So i ask you this.

Can Black people be part of a Baseball culture?

**Queenspittah** · 01-31-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Phonix

So can Black people be part of a Rock culture?

Wow...blacks created Rock n look what happened...white people loved it n accpeted it n now they are the predominant producers of it...do your history...Little Richard created some of the earliest renditions of Rock...Chuck Barry... Now the same thing is tryna go down in Hip Hop I see...

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Originally Posted by Phonix

So can Black people be part of a "Insert invention here" culture?

N who said that other races can't be a part of Hip Hop???I didn't... I said a million times that it's been "accepted universally". But they cannont take the credit for creating it...which is what Run and Starstudded did...n that's not the truth no matter how many people accept it and take part in it now.

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Originally Posted by Phonix

Just because Black people invented Hip Hop does not mean the culture soley belongs to them.

Never said that either...where are you gettin this....I SIMPLY SAID THAT PEOPLE OF COLOR CREATED it....not that it soley belongs to them!

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Originally Posted by Phonix

Sure...the credit is there for Hip Hops origin, that's undeniable....but NOW..the culture has expanded universal.

As long as you know that...spread the word to ya peeps ....

**IllLiterature** · 01-31-2007, 11:23 AM

Hip Hop WAS a predominantly black culture

But to say its black only takes away from the other races that were involved from the beginning. Yes, it spawned out of a majority black area and most of its founders were black. But every race in that area played a part. You demean them by marking them as either non-existent or unimportant. Also the first graf artist was white. I read an interesting article the other day lemme find it real quick.

beliefnet: Hip-Hop artist KRS-ONE discusses mystical experience, the sacredness of performance and the Temple of HipHop

this is an interview with krs-one and heres a quote

"What happened with my generation in hip-hop is, we got jobs, we got paid. The first generation of hip-hoppers felt that, even as they got paid by the corporations, they still had a beef with them. They were still angry at the world. No one understood their power, because no one understood black youth sitting with white and Latino youth. That's how hip-hop started--black and white and Latino youth together from day one.

No one, outside of the few people who were there, even knows that it was like this, multiracial. ... It was white kids who first ruled graffiti art. Then the Latino kids took over, because most of the white kids were from well-off families, and when they got arrested or thrown in jail their parents pulled them out of the hip-hop community. People think the first graffiti artist was a black guy named Phase Two, but a white guy named Turk 183 was out way before him, in the 1960s. There were white gangs that were tagging all over the place; women too."

Im not denying the achievements of kool herc, afrikaa bambaatuu and the zulu nation, grand master theodore and the list goes on and on of black people who contirbuted so much to the culture. But to pretend like every white and latin person in the area just turned around and didnt play a part in the genesis of hip hop as it grew around them is insane.

You can make arguements all day how the roots of it trace back to africa itself and many logicl points can be made that way. But thats not the issue here.

I say give respect to the people who did something. I dont owe a big high five to every black person i meet for the creation of hip hop.

Im not here trying to bash anyone, i just think its narrowminded in this case.

Now onto other things i saw brought up. I see this all the time too. Black people created rock. There were black artists involved in the creation of it. Same as there were white people. Kinda like hip hop culture? Once again i dont see rock as white peoples music and demand respect from every black person who likes it.

What was the point of this thread?

**Queenspittah** · 01-31-2007, 02:11 PM

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