How as a minority- do you have a transparent conversation about racism with whites??

[8th]

^im asking for specific examples. Your just speaking generically. Specifically, what do you mean?

[CrayzWayz]

when you have to conform by the rules of a neighborhood and you lose a sense of identity, what do you think that might entail? either you're trying to patronize me or you're trying to eventually make a point. which is it?

[CrayzWayz]

i doubt he cares about anybody.. but besides that that joke wasn't funny. not because it was racist, but because it was HORRIBLE!

[impolite]

crazy, he's not patronizing you. he's asking what exactly you've to change about your lifestyle when you relocate to another american neighborhood? do you have to tuck your shirts in and start saying ma'am and sir after everything? unlikely. i've lived in various neighborhoods throughout america and the common ground in all has been that the majority of people living in them do not appreciate crime in their neighborhoods. so if you're a criminal, maybe you change a few things to conform, but otherwise, what do you change? in my experience, there is a sense of concern among wealthy families and impoverish families, for their children, their safety and their stability. therefore it's not absurd for any community of any social status to demand music be turned down after a certain time, that loud arguments or fighting should be kept private if not minimal, and that trespassing on other peoples property should be prohibited. etc etc etc. and it never ceases to intrigue me when people insinuate that blacks and minorities are the only poor people in america, living in otherwise undesirable neighborhoods.

[8th]

^EXACTLY

but yeah, I'm not patronizing you. I'm asking because I don't understand what you mean. Like Impolite said, do yo feel you have to tuck in your shirt, say ma'am, or what? I don't get what you mean when you "comform" or "follow the rules."

[Christ]

Originally Posted by impolite

crazy, he's not patronizing you. he's asking what exactly you've to change about your lifestyle when you relocate to another american neighborhood? do you have to tuck your shirts in and start saying ma'am and sir after everything? unlikely. i've lived in various neighborhoods throughout america and the common ground in all has been that the majority of people living in them do not appreciate crime in their neighborhoods. so if you're a criminal, maybe you change a few things to conform, but otherwise, what do you change? in my experience, there is a sense of concern among wealthy families and impoverish families, for their children, their safety and their stability. therefore it's not absurd for any community of any social status to demand music be turned down after a certain time, that loud arguments or fighting should be kept private if not minimal, and that trespassing on other peoples property should be prohibited. etc etc etc. and it never ceases to intrigue me when people insinuate that blacks and minorities are the only poor people in america, living in otherwise undesirable neighborhoods.

Thats what Im looking for in conversation about cultural differences in different ethnic backgrounds.

Its like as an minority it is very hard to have an open , transparent conversation about the topic other than with a minority because of the knowledge we think is common, is not very common to the majority. Its almost after doing somethin repetively for so long- you do it subconsciously with out even thinking about it, or noticing what you did. Thats the leading cause of Racist views...You have got to change the way you look at things if you want to have a conversation with a victom of society. Until that changes its really like talking to yaself.


The guy I quoted above ..was not quoted because I agree with his/her views. I do however, agree that there is a common ground between different ethnicitys and what not.

But I find it absolutley appauling that the difference of conforming to a different enviorment for a minoritys equates negative to positive ( loud music, domestic disputes, criminal behavior).

Thats definately not the difference in conforming. Its in cultures.

Specifics:

I have a child..My culture has always spared the rod and spoiled the child. Spanked there kids. And in a neighborhood of minorities it would not be an issue. The Majority of upper class white folks do not, nor do they agree with you publicly beating your childs ass.

Thas real


How about we barb-b-que alot... And all of my friends and relatives do not wear polo shirts and dockers, nor do they - drive mini vans with bumper stickers of soccer mom on the back. But it seems as if the community of whites (300k-to 750k houses) ..seem to stare. In a neighborhood of minorities, we mind are own business, they seem to be a little nosey out here (I seen one older white lady looking through my privacy fence).

Thas real


How about, I met the neighbors, when I moved in, and no one has spoke sense, except in passing while Im jogging or cutting the grass. But when Becky lol and Jim moved in , they've been bringin them cassarole dishes and lemon pies for months.

Thas real

The home owner association has been real assholes to.

Thas real

Just to name a few specifics.

[CrayzWayz]

Originally Posted by impolite

crazy, he's not patronizing you. he's asking what exactly you've to change about your lifestyle when you relocate to another american neighborhood? do you have to tuck your shirts in and start saying ma'am and sir after everything? unlikely.

metaphorically, yes! sometimes that's exactly what happens! it isn't 99.9% of the time, but it absolutely does happen.

i've lived in various neighborhoods throughout america and the common ground in all has been that the majority of people living in them do not appreciate crime in their neighborhoods. so if you're a criminal, maybe you change a few things to conform, but otherwise, what do you change?

well i'm talking about simple things from the way you paint your house to having a curfew to adhere by. those are lifestyle changes. might not seem like a major issue, but it's molding yourself to fit the livestyle of your neighborhood and personally if i spend tons of money on a house I'd want to do whatever with it and come home when i want.

in my experience, there is a sense of concern among wealthy families and impoverish families, for their children, their safety and their stability. therefore it's not absurd for any community of any social status to demand music be turned down after a certain time, that loud arguments or fighting should be kept private if not minimal, and that trespassing on other peoples property should be prohibited. etc etc etc.

and the safety of anyone else is just garbage? my apartment had been broken into, so a security system is in place, which made that issue come to an end. i don't care if people play loud music or walk the area at 4 in the morning. i can't control those people. all i can do is control what goes on in the area that i pay for. but all that going on outside doesn't mean that someone plans on breaking in. there are some people who are just highly paranoid in life and sometimes race does play a role in it.

and it never ceases to intrigue me when people insinuate that blacks and minorities are the only poor people in america, living in otherwise undesirable neighborhoods.

it amazes me too, but don't think that that's what i'm saying. any examples that i've given of people having to change their lifestyles is coming straight from black familes that i know living in those kinds of neighborhoods. sometimes there's absolutely nothing wrong with that because maybe a person likes control and order in their area, but other times it can be a bit much to try and push a family away.

[Boogiε]

well i'm talking about simple things from the way you paint your house to having a curfew to adhere by. those are lifestyle changes. might not seem like a major issue, but it's molding yourself to fit the livestyle of your neighborhood

Your examples are terrible.
First off curfew's are in place to "prevent" crime.
So if their is a group of hoodlums hanging out on the corner, they get tickets/arrested
for violating curfew. And hopefully that prevents these certain individuals from committing a crime. Second off, I've never heard of any "rule" about painting your house. Now if you're going to paint it shit brown and board up the windows then yes, def. like I said before you're bringing down the values of other houses in the neighborhood.

Honestly now, you're talking about having to conform to rules to live in a nice
community. Yet you fail to come up with an example of a rule that makes your conform.

and the safety of anyone else is just garbage?

Yes, first off it's the safety of the family. I could care less if John Doe down the street is safe. You shouldn't have to worry about the safety of anyone else. If you're apartment keeps getting broken into, move the fuck out. Seriously. That's an obvious sign that you live in a bad neighborhood.


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You're argument holds no weight, like an ethiopian child.

Zing...!




hahahah I did it again...

[CrayzWayz]

Originally Posted by Boogiε

Your examples are terrible.
First off curfew's are in place to "prevent" crime.
So if their is a group of hoodlums hanging out on the corner, they get tickets/arrested
for violating curfew. And hopefully that prevents these certain individuals from committing a crime. Second off, I've never heard of any "rule" about painting your house. Now if you're going to paint it shit brown and board up the windows then yes, def. like I said before you're bringing down the values of other houses in the neighborhood.

Honestly now, you're talking about having to conform to rules to live in a nice
community. Yet you fail to come up with an example of a rule that makes your conform.



Yes, first off it's the safety of the family. I could care less if John Doe down the street is safe. You shouldn't have to worry about the safety of anyone else. If you're apartment keeps getting broken into, move the fuck out. Seriously. That's an obvious sign that you live in a bad neighborhood.


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You're argument holds no weight, like an ethiopian child.

Zing...!




hahahah I did it again...

you didn't really do shit, fyi... a curfew in a neighborhood is set for the neighborhood. true, there are reasons why they are in place, BUT it applies to everyone in that neighborhood. so if one person messes it up and now there's a curfew then the entire neighborhood has to adhere by that rule..

as far as painting your house a certain color.. i never said that it had to be something extreme, but if i get a choice of either white or off-white then that's dumb as hell! ..i guess i'm the kinda person who likes actual options when putting money into owning a home and looking like i live in leave it to beaver's neighborhood is a dumb idea.

in other words, if someone drops a pile of money down for a house then why should they have to come home at a certain time and make their house look like a community house? conform?

and need i remind you that yes, you want your family to be safe, but you also want to live in a safe community. so you'd be a little worried if your next door neighbor got broken into. first thought that MIGHT come to mind is, would that happen to me as well?

..step away from fantasy land and actually break into reality for a few and you might see some things.

[delphidd]

you mean that you can't sit and talk, man-to-man with a white man about race issues?

I think it all comes down to teating each other respectfully without pre-judging them first based on skin color or economic status. I know it is a tall order, but blacks that have the most credability in the white community aren't "sellouts," they are just non-confrontational and earn respect for themselves and their family by pulling themselves up with work ethic and exercizing brotherly love.

Listen, what I'm trying to say is it doesn't matter what your race or background is. You can't "FORCE" someone to like you or to give you respect. That is what is so wrong with the black community today. You can't "DEMAND" respect. You must earn it. Look at the people in the armed forces for instance. For the most part (you will allways find exceptions) the men that live together and fight together are essentially "family." Their skin color doesn't matter. What matters is that they serve a greater cause.

[Mistuh Grippz]

Your examples are terrible.
First off curfew's are in place to "prevent" crime.
So if their is a group of hoodlums hanging out on the corner, they get tickets/arrested
for violating curfew. And hopefully that prevents these certain individuals from committing a crime. Second off, I've never heard of any "rule" about painting your house. Now if you're going to paint it shit brown and board up the windows then yes, def. like I said before you're bringing down the values of other houses in the neighborhood.

LOL at that. Niggah wat are we in Nazi, Germany? It's bad enough my Driver's License card can be slid like a credit card and my entire life comes up, but CURFEWS?! WTF... you tellin me a certain neighborhood you can't be outside YOUR OWN HOUSE at certain times? What if I'm an insomniac and I can't sleep at night and feel like trimmin my mutha fukkin hedges wit some pruners, Imma get arrested?! LOL.. and if I pay for a house best BELIEVE Imma paint that shit whaaaaaaaaatever the fukk I want, cuz uhm.... ITS MINE. Isn't that the point of owning it? Home Owners Associations are a bitch though.. like my folks live in a gated community and my town house is in a gated community and they issue tickets for violations of their policies. It's like not even owning your own crib mayne... you still pay for all the amenities of the gated community like the club house and security and shit.. but you gotta play by the rules too??? Fukk that.. only thang that's fair about em is they have committees of the residents to decide the rules, but there in lies the cultural differences in terms of what's acceptable behavior and what's not.

Me, personally though, Imma complete lunatic so I'm just generally liable to do anythang at a whim, regardless of re-precaution

[8th]

Originally Posted by Jabb$

It's like not even owning your own crib mayne... you still pay for all the amenities of the gated community like the club house and security and shit.. but you gotta play by the rules too??? Fukk that..

Then don't live there. No one is forcing you to live in any neighborhood. And you say "its MY property" Yes. Your bought YOUR property ON THEIR property. You did not have to. If you don't want to follow THEIR rules, then don't join THEIR community. Really that simple.

Originally Posted by Jabb$

only thang that's fair about em is

That no one is forcing you. Live there or don't.

[Mistuh Grippz]

Then don't live there. No one is forcing you to live in any neighborhood. And you say "its MY property" Yes. Your bought YOUR property ON THEIR property. You did not have to. If you don't want to follow THEIR rules, then don't join THEIR community. Really that simple.

Word, I don't like livin in em but my entire fukkin city is basically gated, except for a stream of houses in like the middle area but for the most part all the apts, condos, town houses, and family homes are in gated communities so I can either move to a different city or deal wit the shit. I'm just expressing how I feel lil buddy, it's a damn shame you to blind to see the bigger picture. Maybe you need some acid in ya life to open up that lock box you call a brain and possibly think outside of a 2D square, ya Commie bastid!!! Let's have all the big conglomerates like Engle Homes buy up aaaaaaaall the land and then we have to play by others' rules all the time! Wait... we already have that? Govt ZING!

Your bought YOUR property ON THEIR property.

Then it's not really your property, is it?? Double negative FTW!

[Prospect]

hey christ, watch out man :P
my house, now at least...has to be worth over 400k, i was beaten with belts when i was younger, and we BBQ quite often actually
but the neighborhood isnt grand by any means

for real thou, to answer the question, and im white...lol it shouldnt even be hard
the problems is stereotypes, and thats the real issue why it would appear to be hard for races to discuss racism

unfortunately, you aren't going to change the people around you...
lol then again ya'll are talkin about moving into like straight up snobby areas

shit just right around the corner from my house theres a strip of houses running for about a mile that easily start at 750k, yet the block behind me shit goes down like its nothing(including murder)

so honsetly lol, just move somewhere thats nice, but at the same time not full of richie riches and you should be just fine
very limited stares if any at all, nothing you'd have to really comform to, no selling out
its pretty much right in the middle

[Schematic]

Yall are faggots.

In Hawaii they call you Haole if youre white. It means outsider. It also means brainless, heartless, unwelcome. The local police will fuck with you if you arent local born. I deal with more racism every day then any of you have in your entire life probably. Ive been fired from jobs, refused jobs, etc. because im white. Most locals have been raised like this and their parents encourage it. Thats why the tourists stick to Waikiki, not like that helps. Tourists get jumped every year by gangs of kids and the local police just turn the other way. Most locals dont understand you, dont want to try, and everything you do just pisses them off or confuses them. Oahu is probably the most tolerant island due to the big commercialism and shit, ive heard the other islands are worse.

"Fuck you Haole." is pretty much "Fuck you N*****"
It sucks to be called that by people you dont even know and did nothing wrong to.

If youre black they call you Papolo... which pretty much is a big black juicy fruit. Who fuckin knows. But they dont like blacks either really.