JOIN NOW!!Manage your user profile and optionsTop users battle stats and rankingUse our members store to buy features and be able to use more forum optionsBack to main forumContact us      users online now



 



Go Back   Hip Hop/Rap Music and Urban Social Network Community > The Community > The Lounge > Beg To Differ

Beg To Differ The debate spectrum. Dedicated to all the intelligent and mature individuals. The peoples view on Life, religion and so on.



Reply

 

LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-15-2006, 02:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
Banned
 
optikaL`'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,779
Rep Power: 11 optikaL` will become famous soon enoughoptikaL` will become famous soon enough
Default Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

Wow, if this is true then these people should be tried for treason and face capital punishment.

Note: I'm talking about our VP too.

Quote:
Scandal-plagued Halliburton, the oil services company once headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, was secretly working with one of Iran's top nuclear program officials on natural gas related projects and, allegedly, selling the official's oil development company key components for a nuclear reactor, according to Halliburton sources with intimate knowledge into both companies' business dealings.

Just last week a National Security Council report said Iran was a decade away from acquiring a nuclear bomb. That time frame could arguably have been significantly longer if Halliburton, which just reported a 284 percent increase in its fourth quarter profits due to its Iraq reconstruction contracts, was not actively providing the Iranian government with the financial means to build a nuclear weapon.

Now comes word that Halliburton, which has a long history of flouting U.S. law by conducting business with countries the Bush administration said have ties to terrorism, was working with Cyrus Nasseri, the vice chairman of Oriental Oil Kish, one of Iran's largest private oil companies, on oil development projects in Tehran. Nasseri is also a key member of Iran's nuclear development team.

"Nasseri, a senior Iranian diplomat negotiating with Europe over Iran's controversial nuclear program is at the heart of deals with US energy companies to develop the country's oil industry," the Financial Times reported.

Nasseri was interrogated by Iranian authorities in late July for allegedly providing Halliburton with Iran's nuclear secrets and accepting as much as $1 million in bribes from Halliburton, according to Iranian government officials.

It's unclear whether Halliburton was privy to Iran's nuclear activities. A company spokesperson did not return numerous calls for comment. The White House also did not return calls for comment.

Oriental Oil Kish dealings with Halliburton became public knowledge in January when the company announced that it had subcontracted parts of the South Pars natural gas drilling project to Halliburton Products and Services, a subsidiary of Dallas-based Halliburton that is registered in the Cayman Islands.

Following the announcement, Halliburton announced the South Pars gas field project in Tehran would be its last project in Iran. The BBC reported that Halliburton, which took in $30-$40 million from its Iranian operations in 2003, "was winding down its work due to a poor business environment."

Halliburton, under mounting pressure from lawmakers in Washington, D.C., pulled out of its deal with Nassri's company in May, but has done extensive work on other areas of the Iranian gas project and was still acting in an advisory capacity to Nasseri's company, two people who have knowledge of Halliburton's wor in Iran said.

In attempt to curtail other U.S. companies from engaging in business dealings with rogue nations, the Senate approved legislation July 26 that would penalize companies that continue to skirt U.S. law by setting up offshore subsidiaries as a way to legally conduct business in Libya, Iran and Syria, and avoid U.S. sanctions under International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA). The amendment, sponsored by Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, is part of the Senate Defense Authorization bill.

"It prevents U.S. corporations from creating a shell company somewhere else in order to do business with rogue, terror-sponsoring nations such as Syria and Iran," Collins said in a statement.

"The bottom line is that if a U.S. company is evading sanctions to do business with one of these countries, they are helping to prop up countries that support terrorism—most often aimed against America," she said.

The law currently doesn't prohibit foreign subsidiaries from conducting business with rogue nations provided that the subsidiaries are truly independent of the parent company.

But Halliburton's Cayman Island subsidiary never did fit that description.

Halliburton first started doing business in Iran as early as 1995, while Vice President Cheney was chief executive of the company, in possible violation of U.S. sanctions. According to a February 2001 report in the Wall Street Journal, "Halliburton Products & Services Ltd. works behind an unmarked door on the ninth floor of a new north Tehran tower block. A brochure declares that the company was registered in 1975 in the Cayman Islands, is based in the Persian Gulf sheikdom of Dubai and is 'non-American.' But, like the sign over the receptionist's head, the brochure bears the company's name and red emblem, and offers services from Halliburton units around the world." Moreover, mail sent to the company's offices in Tehran and the Cayman Islands is forwarded to the company's Dallas headquarters.

Not surprisingly, a letter drafted by trade groups representing corporate executives vehemently objected to the amendment saying it would lead to further hatred and perhaps incite terrorist attacks on the U.S and "greatly strain relations with the United States' primary trading partners."

"Extraterritorial measures irritate relations with the very nations the U.S. must secure cooperation from to promote multilateral strategies to fight terrorism and to address other areas of mutual concern," said a letter signed by the Coalition for Employment through Exports, Emergency Coalition for American Trade, National Foreign Trade Council, USA Engage, U.S. Council on International Business and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. "Foreign governments view U.S. efforts to dictate their foreign and commercial policy as violations of sovereignty, often leading them to adopt retaliatory measures more at odds with U.S. goals."

Still, Collins' amendment has some holes. As Washington Times columnist Frank Gaffney pointed out in a July 25 story, "the Collins amendment would seek to penalize individuals or entities who evade IEEPA sanctions—if they are "subject to the jurisdiction of the United States."

"This is merely a restatement of existing regulations. The problem with this formulation is that, in the process of purportedly closing one loophole, it would appear to create new ones. As Sen. Collins told the Senate: 'Some truly independent foreign subsidiaries are incorporated under the laws of the country in which they do business and are subject to that country's laws, to that legal jurisdiction. There is a great deal of difference between a corporation set up in a day, without any real employees or assets, and one that has been in existence for many years and that gets purchased, in part, by a U.S. firm.' It is a safe bet that every foreign subsidiary of a U.S. company doing business with terrorist states will claim it is one of the ones Sen. Collins would allow to continue enriching our enemies, not one prohibited from doing so."

Going a step further, Dow Jones Newswires reported that the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission sent letters in June to energy corporations demanding that the companies disclose in their security filings any business dealings with terrorist supporting nations.

"The letters have been sent by the SEC's Office of Global Security Risk, a special division that monitors companies with operations in Iran and other countries under U.S. sanctions, which were created by the U.S. Congress in 2004," Dow Jones reported.

The move comes as investors have become increasingly concerned that they may be unwillingly supporting terrorist activity. In the case of Halliburton, the New York City Comptroller's office threatened in March 2003 to pull its $23 million investment in the company if Halliburton continued to conduct business with Iran.

The SEC letters are aimed at forcing corporations to disclose their profits from business dealings in rogue nations. Oil companies, such as Devon Energy Corp., ConocoPhillips, Marathon Oil Corp. and Occidental Petroleum Corp. that currently conduct business with countries that sponsor terrorism, have not disclosed the profits received from terrorist countries in their most recent quarterly reports because the companies don't consider the earnings "material."

Devon Energy was until recently conducting business in Syria. The company just sold its stake in an oil field there. ConocoPhillips has a service contract with the Syrian Petroleum Co. that expires on Dec. 31.
Halliburton Secretly Doing Business with Key Member of Iran’s Nuclear Team

Unfortunately thats the only link I could find because for some reason none of the major media outlets are covering this. Well, not surprising actually knowing who controls it.
__________________
Out of business.
optikaL` is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 09:14 AM   #2 (permalink)
8th
www.sketchypremise.com
 
8th's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,597
Rep Power: 10 8th will become famous soon enough8th will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to 8th
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

Thats great. These corporations see no loyalty to this country. This makes me sick


Quote:
Originally Posted by optikaL` View Post
Wow, if this is true then these people should be tried for treason and face capital punishment.
Agreed. If this was the WW2 generation, that would probably happen.


Quote:
Originally Posted by optikaL` View Post
Unfortunately thats the only link I could find because for some reason none of the major media outlets are covering this. Well, not surprising actually knowing who controls it.
wow thats shocking. I am very cynical when it comes to the survival of our nation when things like this happen quite often.
8th is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 12:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
azy
the sound barrier
 
azy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: waist.
Posts: 1,873
Rep Power: 8 azy is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to azy
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

good thread. it seems everyone in the world is a fucking criminal.

i feel sorry for Iranians and Americans for having to put up with their elected leaders, who i'd imagine they never would've voted in if they'd had prior knowledge of the true motives.
__________________

.you wont be laughin' when your front lawns spangled with epitaphs.
azy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 01:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
8th
www.sketchypremise.com
 
8th's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,597
Rep Power: 10 8th will become famous soon enough8th will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to 8th
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

Quote:
Originally Posted by azy View Post
good thread. it seems everyone in the world is a fucking criminal.

i feel sorry for Iranians and Americans for having to put up with their elected leaders, who i'd imagine they never would've voted in if they'd had prior knowledge of the true motives.
i doubt i would have voted for bush if i knew how things would turn out.
8th is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 09:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
Banned
 
optikaL`'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,779
Rep Power: 11 optikaL` will become famous soon enoughoptikaL` will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

The scariest part of the entire thing is that Cheney was in charge of Halliburton at the start of their doing business with Iran. You see why theres no major media coverage now?
__________________
Out of business.
optikaL` is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 09:48 PM   #6 (permalink)
Banned
 
Hoodini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: utopia
Posts: 597
Rep Power: 0 Hoodini is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

anybody been to infowars.com
Hoodini is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 09:50 PM   #7 (permalink)
Banned
 
optikaL`'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,779
Rep Power: 11 optikaL` will become famous soon enoughoptikaL` will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

Alex Jones is a borderline lunatic, so I tend to stay away from his site.
__________________
Out of business.
optikaL` is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2006, 09:54 PM   #8 (permalink)
Banned
 
Hoodini's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: utopia
Posts: 597
Rep Power: 0 Hoodini is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

what do you find so insane about him?
Hoodini is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2006, 08:17 AM   #9 (permalink)
azy
the sound barrier
 
azy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: waist.
Posts: 1,873
Rep Power: 8 azy is on a distinguished road
Send a message via AIM to azy
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

whats really worrying is that the UN recently branded the US Congress report into Irans nuclear capability as "erroneaous, misleading and unsubstantiated"

This whole buildup is giving me some kind of Deja Vu, article on the link below

Guardian Unlimited | Search | UN
__________________

.you wont be laughin' when your front lawns spangled with epitaphs.
azy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2006, 01:16 PM   #10 (permalink)
8th
www.sketchypremise.com
 
8th's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,597
Rep Power: 10 8th will become famous soon enough8th will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to 8th
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

Quote:
Originally Posted by optikaL` View Post
Alex Jones is a borderline lunatic, so I tend to stay away from his site.
dito
8th is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2006, 04:56 PM   #11 (permalink)
Absolute Being
 
Vor Ax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Lancaster, Pa
Posts: 1,840
Rep Power: 6 Vor Ax will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 8th View Post
i doubt i would have voted for bush if i knew how things would turn out.
dont blame yaself kerry was nothin great either

the last election blew as a whole

this sux

something needs to change here
__________________
Ax.™

..::better protect ya neck for the Horrors ahead::..
..::what you describe as Savagery, is average to me
heres a Molotov Cocktail Have one on Me::..
Vor Ax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2006, 05:54 PM   #12 (permalink)
8th
www.sketchypremise.com
 
8th's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,597
Rep Power: 10 8th will become famous soon enough8th will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to 8th
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vor Ax View Post
dont blame yaself kerry was nothin great either

the last election blew as a whole

this sux

something needs to change here
i dont blame myself. NO WAY would i have EVER voted for kerry

but yeah, we need to vote out all encumbants. Only thing we can do. Lifetime politicans and these other politicians have failed us and need to be held accountable.
8th is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2006, 06:07 PM   #13 (permalink)
Absolute Being
 
Vor Ax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Lancaster, Pa
Posts: 1,840
Rep Power: 6 Vor Ax will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

Quote:
Originally Posted by 8th View Post
i dont blame myself. NO WAY would i have EVER voted for kerry

but yeah, we need to vote out all encumbants. Only thing we can do. Lifetime politicans and these other politicians have failed us and need to be held accountable.
i agree they wont but it sounds nice on the net

more then likely this will be swept under the rug
__________________
Ax.™

..::better protect ya neck for the Horrors ahead::..
..::what you describe as Savagery, is average to me
heres a Molotov Cocktail Have one on Me::..
Vor Ax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2006, 07:12 PM   #14 (permalink)
8th
www.sketchypremise.com
 
8th's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 2,597
Rep Power: 10 8th will become famous soon enough8th will become famous soon enough
Send a message via AIM to 8th
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

yup. because we are too lazy to hold politicians acountable or vote new ones in.
8th is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 09-16-2006, 08:22 PM   #15 (permalink)
Banned
 
optikaL`'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 3,779
Rep Power: 11 optikaL` will become famous soon enoughoptikaL` will become famous soon enough
Default Re: Halliburton helping Iran's nuclear program?

Hey, I voted for Badnarik. The entire population is led to believe that any vote not for the two major parties is wasted, and it WILL be until we break that mindset.
__________________
Out of business.
optikaL` is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)

 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On
Forum Jump

Similar Threads

Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Get With The Program (Beat by Wez Nilez) **Drop links ill get at them all** Wèz Ñîlèz Grab The Mic 4 06-13-2006 02:19 AM
N. Korea Anubis-Ra Beg To Differ 21 03-06-2005 12:17 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:31 PM.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.2.0
Copyright © 2002 - 2008 Rapflava.com. All Rights Reserved.