Does begging to differ create more problems?

[Pembroke]

Debate in general: good or bad?

Does debate really solve anything when you look at it from the bigger picture?

[Don Dotta]

Not really,people are gonna still have there own views regardless of what others think,and if someone is outnumbered in a debate like there the only one with a certain response and everyone is against them that dosnt mean that they're wrong..or right for that matter..i dno..in some cases deabting might be good but it's still just people opinions..it's not fact

[tenma]

I think debating is healthy. If you have two rational, leve-headed humans in the conversation, sometimes ideas are exchanged that deeply affect both sides in positive ways. Empathy can be forged and understanding foster. If no one ever debated, the civil rights era wouldn't have occurred among many other ultimately positive things.

[Phonix]

Depends on who is begging to differ.

If the person debating is somebody who thinks they possess infinite knowledge in an attempt to bless the masses on something they picked up from the internet, then that get's annoying.

At the same time though..It's kind of boring/pointless two people who don't have slightly biased opinions argue since...well..there's no real need to argue.

[tenma]

Originally Posted by Phonix

At the same time though..It's kind of boring/pointless two people who don't have slightly biased opinions argue since...well..there's no real need to argue.

You're WRONG Phonix!

Haha, just kidding man. I agree that in a lot of cases it's pointless (especially in political and religious threads) because the views are so personal to each individual that no amount of debate will cause in one side changing their opinion. I guess in somes cases like that, arguing serves just as a way of re-affirming their beliefs.

[Royal Rapptress]

Hmm...I personally feel that debating is one thing...but making vague two sentenced comments is NOT an intelligent debate...nor is simply attacking issues because you lack knowledge on the subject. Discrediting something because its on the net is ridiculous because EVERYTHING is on the net! But when you find NUMEROUS limks and sources citing the same thing you have to admit that the debate itself is at least credible...then too...not every single area is designated for debate...sometimes people just want to share n let you draw your own conclusions without being attacked for not spoon feeding the data to you...IMO.

[K.O.S.]

Originally Posted by Pembroke

Debate in general: good or bad?

Does debate really solve anything when you look at it from the bigger picture?

when the involved are informed on the issue, and intellegent enough to not only speak, but openly listen in a debate. its good and can solve almost anything

if someone can play a devils advocate when both people believe in the same opinion, it makes your knowledge on that subject and defending yourself (in verbal terms) and thoughts that much stronger.

[Christ]

Originally Posted by Royal Rapptress

sometimes people just want to share n let you draw your own conclusions without being attacked for not spoon feeding the data to you...IMO.

100.

[AVARICE]

problems only lead to solutions... i hope it creates a multitude of them.

[tenma]

Originally Posted by K.O.S.

when the involved are informed on the issue, and intellegent enough to not only speak, but openly listen in a debate. its good and can solve almost anything

I agree completely. Unfortunately, some people become so defensive at everything that's being said by the other side that, even when legitimate points are made, they get overlooked and become swallowed in their own pride. Have you ever been in a debate with someone who throws a temper tantrum at everything that's said and gets all dramatic? It's more entertaining than watching TV, man.

[Royal Rapptress]

Yeah but it s even worse when someone deficient of knowledge on the isubject tries to find miniscule irrelavant issues instead acknowledging they are ignorant in the topic and need to educate themselves...ranting with intelligence is one thing but hating with ignorance totally sucks and really weeds out the egotistical attention seekers from actual intelllectual conversationists.

[K.O.S.]

Originally Posted by tenma

I agree completely. Unfortunately, some people become so defensive at everything that's being said by the other side that, even when legitimate points are made, they get overlooked and become swallowed in their own pride. Have you ever been in a debate with someone who throws a temper tantrum at everything that's said and gets all dramatic? It's more entertaining than watching TV, man.

yup she birthed me. taught me everything i know but what debating is... and isnt. damn i love that woman.

[tenma]

Yeah, but what's downright comedic is when all these assumptions come into play about what one person does, or doesn't know about something. I mean, I can tolerate someone positing pseudo-definitive things about topics (because they're on the "REAL") and then later pretending like they don't need to defend their stance, but assuming what the other person knows about a topic even when they haven't said anything about it takes the cake.

I can't help but be reminded of the sage quote of "Better to keep your mouth closed and seem like a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt" and I guess some people would rather fall into the latter group. But, alas, I suppose some people just exist to self-righteously say (albeit-cliché) polemic things about hot-button issues and then call anyone who has a different opinion about it or who criticizes this "ignorant". It's a really good tactic in elementary school-yard arguments, but kinda depressing when used beyond that age group.

[Royal Rapptress]

Your post reminds me of an old saying "Some people need to take their own advice." WOW...you claimed "no sources" on the weed thread but you gave none either to support your point of view...even after I gave some....Oh but wait you NEVER HAD A POINT about the thread just nit picked because of lack of knowledge on the subject...which it's already been agreed here that that sucks. When a person is knowledgable on the topic they speak as such not beat around the bush like an embarrased self proclaimed know it all that got themselves into a situation they aren't smart enough on the subject to get themselves out of. I guess some people don't know when they've lost a battle. When you have nothing intelligent to say about the topic........YOU'VE LOST....in caps for the slow kids (whoever you may be).

[8th]

^Seriously...tenma seems like a fair-minded rational person. I didn't read the whole thread your ranting about, but the part I did read, you got really really defensive over nothing. He even said something along the lines of 'sorry if i misinturpreted what you had said.'