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10-02-2006, 05:52 PM
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FIRST LIEUTENANT Ehren Watada joined the US Army three years ago to fight for his country. Instead, he stood before a packed room of reporters and peace activists to say he cannot fight in Iraq and will refuse to join his brigade when it is deployed there this month.
"I best serve my soldiers by speaking out. I'm prepared to face the punishment," said Lieutenant Watada, who maintains that fighting in the war in Iraq will make him a "party to war crimes".
His supporters say he is the first commissioned officer to publicly refuse to serve in Iraq. His refusal will almost certainly lead to criminal charges and land him in jail.
"The wholesale slaughter and mistreatment of the Iraqi people is not only a terrible moral injustice but a contradiction of the army's own law of land warfare. My participation would make me party to war crimes," he said.
The army would not let him resign, and Lieutenant Watada said he did not want to apply for conscientious objector status. But the Pentagon said Lieutenant Watada, who turned 28 yesterday, was one of several officers and enlisted personnel who applied for conscientious objector status.
Lieutenant Watada had been scheduled to go to Iraq for his first tour this month. He joined the US Army in 2003, and had served in Korea. He said his moral and legal obligations were to the US constitution "not those who would issue unlawful orders". | 
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10-02-2006, 06:29 PM
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dumb fuck...the fuck he think would happen joining the army | |
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10-02-2006, 08:07 PM
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^exactly. dont join the ARMED FORCES in a WARTIME if you dont want to go to war. He is an activist, and in my humble opinion and horrible human being. Quote:
Originally Posted by spookes  "The wholesale slaughter and mistreatment of the Iraqi people is not only a terrible moral injustice but a contradiction of the army's own law of land warfare. My participation would make me party to war crimes," he said. | not only he is refusing to serve in an organization he volunteered for, hes condeming our brave soldiers as war criminals.
but i do not want him fighting in our army. He should get a dishonorable discharge and serve time.
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10-03-2006, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 8th not only he is refusing to serve in an organization he volunteered for, hes condeming our brave soldiers as war criminals. | With that logic, Nazi's should've never second guessed any of their actions because they volunteered and disagreeing would be "condemning" their fellow soldiers. Thats ridiculous and you know it. There ARE war crimes being committed over there, and we need whistle blowers on these things.
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10-03-2006, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by optikaL` With that logic, Nazi's should've never second guessed any of their actions because they volunteered and disagreeing would be "condemning" their fellow soldiers. Thats ridiculous and you know it. There ARE war crimes being committed over there, and we need whistle blowers on these things. |
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10-03-2006, 12:00 PM
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lol thankx for the feed back, uppin fo' more, | |
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10-03-2006, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by optikaL` With that logic, Nazi's should've never second guessed any of their actions because they volunteered and disagreeing would be "condemning" their fellow soldiers. Thats ridiculous and you know it. There ARE war crimes being committed over there, and we need whistle blowers on these things. | Im sure there are war crimes being commited, but he codemned them all. He said if he went over there he would be part of war crimes, suggesting that everyone over there is a war criminal. The are bad people in every area of life, including the armed forces. But that does not make them all bad, or all war criminals. That is offensive to people that went over there and served honorably [the majority] | |
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10-25-2006, 05:09 PM
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Ey man, if he chose to not participate in this war that's his choice..3 years ago the process of iraqi freedom was alot better..people respected soldiers..now everyone hates us..why? i don't know why..i haven't done nothing to these people to hate me but if u dawn the uniform..all it takes is 1 for all to be judged ya dig..i think actually standing up and saying no is more brave then actually going cuz u can be condemned up to a FIRING SQUAD.
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10-31-2006, 08:03 PM
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He ain't suggesting that everyone is a war criminal over there as much as he's suggesting that the overall idea of US Troops being in Iraq is wrong. And who are you guys to condemn what he's saying, any of you been in Iraq in the past 3 years? The man has seen first hand the negative effect of the troops, of HIS troops on the people of Iraq. | |
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10-31-2006, 10:19 PM
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he hasn't been to iraq. He is refusing to go. If you didn't want to go to WAR, why would you join the ARMED FORCES? | |
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11-05-2006, 06:34 PM
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8TH!! YOU HYPOCRITICAL OVER-PATRIOTIC BIGGOT!!!
WHY WON´T YOU APPLY THAT SAME "There are bad people in every area of life,
but that does not make them all bad.."
In regards to muslims???
You dumb inbread redneck!
I know you think you´re smart, you think you´re slick,
but I have for the longest now, seen and understood as well as OVERSTOOD,
how you by using terms such as Islamics, and islamists, are trying to, in a not very subliminal way, put all muslims into one category and thereby attempting to discredit ALL MUSLIMS!!
And Islam as a whole, which is a despickable willification, mollying, and slander!!!
Like I´ve said, I´ve got ya number and I know what you´re all about.. | 
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11-05-2006, 08:16 PM
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are you done? | |
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11-05-2006, 08:33 PM
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8th man, I wish you wouldn't label cats despicable human beings and so on, cause it makes you sound nearly as bad as the nutsack above you.
I can't actually be fucked typing much about this, other than to say someone needs to point out the injustices that are going on out there, but not this guy.
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11-05-2006, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Phade 8th man, I wish you wouldn't label cats despicable human beings and so on, cause it makes you sound nearly as bad as the nutsack above you. | i dont very often. I try not to unless they clearly deserve that label IMO. Im just very passionate about some things, and i often dont word things the best way. | |
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11-05-2006, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 8th ...dont join the ARMED FORCES in a WARTIME if you dont want to go to war.... |
8th said it best right there.
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