Are Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson Good for the Black Community?

[20/20vis]

First of all, stop taking everything you hear and immediately judging that person and/or their opinions. THINK!! I know that isn't the most popular thing to do in our society anymore, but just try...

In light of Imus comments, (which were clearly wrong, but besides the point) the first people white-America hears voicing the concerns of African-Americans are Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Well, guess what, I'm tired of having two men speak on behalf of an entire race. It's always the same thing. White person offends blacks, and these two come out of the woodworks to fight for the vindication of an entire race. I don't think I care, and if I was a non-black, I most definitely wouldn't care what these two have to say. Someone answer me what good these two did in this situation? Do you, as an African-American feel vindicated now that Imus has been suspended? The issue is not so much about Imus, but why is it that the only time we hear about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson is when someone offends black people? Obviously, someone must speak out when something like this, or an event like the Michael Richards incident occurs, but why is it that the only things that come out of these two men's mouths is blame. Blaming others for the numerous plights that still exist against black America today. When are they going to start to look inwards? Where do you think Imus got the word 'Ho' from? Go ahead, put on a rap album and I'll tell you. Obviously, the origins of the word extend far beyond rap music, but think about the manner in which the word is used today. It's a common term in black-culture, yet rather than address why this is the case, Sharpton and Jackson only look outward, at others using the term. I'm by no means defending Imus, but think about it, what do Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton really do to further the advacement of black-America?

[8th]

Al Not-So-Sharpton & Jesse Hi-Jackson are race baiters that hurt race relations. If there was no racism, they would be out of a job. They are racist themselves. But for some reason the main stream media turn to them to 'defend all black people.' They hurt any cause they attach themselves to because too many people dislike them. They are jokes, that for some reason get taken seriously. What i want to know is, do black people enjoy having these 'Reverends [not sure why people call them that] represent an entire race? Do they speak for you?

[tenma]

I think their role is important for the black community, but I think what they actually *do* isn't. They inadvertantly end up representing the whole black community regardless of whether or not their personal beliefs fall in line with those of the black community at large. They're too quick to call racism and often times too slow to be as vocal about more pressing issues that have a greater affect.

[DaVe E BuRnOuT]

Originally Posted by 8th

Al Not-So-Sharpton & Jesse Hi-Jackson are race baiters that hurt race relations. If there was no racism, they would be out of a job. They are racist themselves. But for some reason the main stream media turn to them to 'defend all black people.' They hurt any cause they attach themselves to because too many people dislike them. They are jokes, that for some reason get taken seriously. What i want to know is, do black people enjoy having these 'Reverends [not sure why people call them that] represent an entire race? Do they speak for you?

Agreed...Im So Tired Of Hearing About This Imus Shit..Jesse Jalckson,Sharpton talk..And im sooo tired about hear how white people owe black people reperation for the slave days...All i got to say is United we stand divided you fall..Theses to fucks blame white people for everything...Yo First off...African sold slaves..Every type of person in this world has been a slave at 1 time in history...Im 25% Blackfoot/cheerokee Native American...If anybody has a right to complain about history..i do believe its us....not saying africans don't got nothen to complain about...But fuck complaining..cas chances are people an't gonna listen...DO somethen..Cas history is not gonna change..I was watching fox news last night and tihs dude was on there talkn bout blame whitey..That 1000's of black people got raped..wheres the reperation??..ill tell you where the reperation is...its was 2-300 years ago..im sure people who did it are dead...And White girls got raped to..shit every kinda person got raped..shit the reason i got NAtive blood in me in me coulda been rape...do i want reperation..NO...BUt trust me..wid Al and jesses running around there gonna create a race war..the only thing is..they won't win..cas yeah they could beat the political white party..but what about the whites and blacks who unite cas they arn't racist...we could run the show...like i said before..United we stand divided we fall...We got a war goin on outside and we got a virus running around inside...a virus called racsism......How we handle it will be the result if the world last or not...

[Christ]

Absurd nonsense.

I dont have a problem with either one of these great men. Infact its a good thing that they have a platform to voice concerns for minorities. Not to many Blacks have that platform. Two Civil rights leaders that I may not agree with all the time, but I do believe their intensions are good.

Good for them.

[K.O.S.]

who ever has a problem w/ shapton and jackson are weak minded individuals. they are doing what most (95%) people only talk about..."SOMETHING". and that something is only positive, unless u bitters and liers are doin something productive for race relations or minority american uplift you have no true dissenting opinion. get off the internet. your thinking in ur own filth.

Dig That.

Originally Posted by DaVe E BuRnOuT

Im 25% Blackfoot/cheerokee Native American...If anybody has a right to complain about history..i do believe its us....not saying africans don't got nothen to complain about...But fuck complaining..cas chances are people an't gonna listen...DO somethen..

us americans with slave heritage (cause im sick of sayin black african american...you know who i am... I KNOW WHO I AM) have got a right to speak and build... most of us are also indian and looking at Sharptons hair i think he's got a high percentage, lets get down to business i am blackfoot cherokee and choctaw and spanish... peep I AM AMERICA... and if anybody has a right to speak and use their right to free speech ITS ME AND MINE...

see it only gets ugly when u throw out shit like that.
Most folks want reperations in the form of a chance... I dont want shit cause I wil take it if they wont let me earn it.

Man you dont know nuthin about it. Dave E... your burnt out for this... thats my opinion.

20/20 vis

the revolution wont be televised meaning Sharpton and Jackson cant do nothing to advance relations and the darker part of the american race, they can only push to keep it where it is. the advancement comes at home in the schools/ workplace etc. people as a whole doing something. they only go to sharpton and jackson because they are the media cash crops in these types of situations/events. they hogging the spotlight... it comes to them.

and 8th (the only person thatll comeback w/ some real thoughts)

they are reverends because they are preachers at actual churches with actual pews and an actual congregation.

[8th]

Originally Posted by Christ

I dont have a problem with either one of these great men.

LOL. Please outline what 'great deeds' these 'great men' have accomplished.

they are reverends because they are preachers at actual churches with actual pews and an actual congregation.

Ok thats fine. I just didn't think either of them actually were preachers. I know hi-jackson has a sunday morning religious show, but i've never caught it.

They're too quick to call racism and often times too slow to be as vocal about more pressing issues that have a greater affect.

word. They constantly claim racism because that is there job. Like i said before, if there was no more racism, they would be out of a job.


But i do not believe they are helping 'race relations.' As i said before, I believe they hurt race relations. People are sick of them both, so when they attach themselves to a story, it does it harm. Even if they are right in there stance, or doing the correct thing, ALOT of people assume they are just crying racism. Its the boy who cryed wolf story. They call racism so often, that REAL racism is not addressed because people assume they are being alarmists yet again. I also dont think they are sincere in 90% of the 'scandals' the inject themselves into. They both know imus is not a racist. They know there argument is disingenuous but they see an opportunity for some spotlight, so they jump head first into the media clusterfuck. Its just amazing to me these two are even taken serious in the slightest fashion. You really think Martin Luther King would be happy with what Jesses Hi-Jackson is doing right now? I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt it.

[Nomad Toad]

Originally Posted by DaVe E BuRnOuT

Im 25% Blackfoot/cheerokee Native American...If anybody has a right to complain about history..i do believe its us.....

just shows that anyone can be racist and ignorant..

[8th]

Originally Posted by Nomad Toad

just shows that anyone can be racist and ignorant..

You know there is such a thing as overusing a word. When you use a word over and over and over again, where it is unmerited, it deminishes the meaning. People like you use constantly call people 'racists' and 'ignorant' for disagreeing with you. So when there is real racism or ignorance, no one pays attention because the claim is falsely made to often.

[Nomad Toad]

and people like you constantly cover for people...

thats whats wrong with the world today noone wants to stand up for whats right.

the truth is id prefer a racist who admits his beliefs , than all you fuckers hidin behind fake smiles.

do you have to lynch someone to be racist??

do you have to be white??

iwhole races of native people have been wiped in the so called land of the free so you could eat mcdonalds and play bassball and watch american idle

if all the people of every race ould stand together and say fuck u to the racists the hate mongers and the war mongers then we could make a difference...

but wed all rather play x box and get high.

evryone who disagrees with me isnt ignorant Dave Burnout is..

[DaVe E BuRnOuT]

Originally Posted by 8th

LOL. Please outline what 'great deeds' these 'great men' have accomplished.



Ok thats fine. I just didn't think either of them actually were preachers. I know hi-jackson has a sunday morning religious show, but i've never caught it.



word. They constantly claim racism because that is there job. Like i said before, if there was no more racism, they would be out of a job.


But i do not believe they are helping 'race relations.' As i said before, I believe they hurt race relations. People are sick of them both, so when they attach themselves to a story, it does it harm. Even if they are right in there stance, or doing the correct thing, ALOT of people assume they are just crying racism. Its the boy who cryed wolf story. They call racism so often, that REAL racism is not addressed because people assume they are being alarmists yet again. I also dont think they are sincere in 90% of the 'scandals' the inject themselves into. They both know imus is not a racist. They know there argument is disingenuous but they see an opportunity for some spotlight, so they jump head first into the media clusterfuck. Its just amazing to me these two are even taken serious in the slightest fashion. You really think Martin Luther King would be happy with what Jesses Hi-Jackson is doing right now? I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt it.

Word..And they are hurting race relations if anything..Cas There Gonna Cause a Race War..That only Certian people have a hand in starting...EveryBody here Has Racist bones..Its because thats life..Rather it be on white,blacks, chinese,lation,whatever
Only people need to relize...Its 2007 not the 1950's not the 30's or the 1800''s..Alots changed..NoBody alive owned a slave..Mabe the older cats but none of us has delt wid segragation...we really need to move on..And be alil more open minded

KOS you say i have no idea and im burnt out on this subject..welll Your outta your mind when You Say if anybody has a right to speak its you and your's...Sure we both got native blood in us...but because im 25% Itialian and the other 50 is a mix between German,Penn dutch,And French..I don't got a right to speak..Sorry i didn't know the 1st amendment didn't include me...And also Blackfoot and cherokee are northeast/eastcost native americans..so you being spanish...if anything you really have no right to talk...Cas facts are your people robbed the aztecs...so being that only half your people got a right to speak...and you say u want a chance..believe it or not whites got it worse...Cas discrimination of color is illegal...So if you apply then chances are better for you to get a job....Mabe not in all cases..shit prolly alot but facts are it still happens...So when you got a clue DoLLa At Me..Cas what u had to say just says if there was a race war u'd pick a side..Me id Create my own...With every calture Who Don't Feel Racism isn't an issue to them...And im sure theres more of us then there are of you....

[K.O.S.]

Originally Posted by 8th

But i do not believe they are helping 'race relations.' As i said before, I believe they hurt race relations. People are sick of them both, so when they attach themselves to a story, it does it harm. Even if they are right in there stance, or doing the correct thing, ALOT of people assume they are just crying racism. Its the boy who cryed wolf story. They call racism so often, that REAL racism is not addressed because people assume they are being alarmists yet again. I also dont think they are sincere in 90% of the 'scandals' the inject themselves into. They both know imus is not a racist. They know there argument is disingenuous but they see an opportunity for some spotlight, so they jump head first into the media clusterfuck. Its just amazing to me these two are even taken serious in the slightest fashion. You really think Martin Luther King would be happy with what Jesses Hi-Jackson is doing right now? I HIGHLY HIGHLY doubt it.

we are in the age of information technology and media. dont blame jackson for always being in it, its the media that always puts him on... the media needs a story, all day everyday, the thread proves it did its job, u know what i mean. its good that these to men fight for the big and small. al sharpton maybe a black nationalist(there is a difference between that an activist and a racist) but jackson is really on that pushin for the little guy process, always was.

I dont know if Imus is racist, prolly just a dumb hick ( there are darkskinned hicks also). jackson and shapton dont have the problem with him, just his action. you see what happened yesterday, some veteran radio host got fired for making Imus's words "the phrase that pays" on his show... comeone, thats why they had to jump at Imus... Ignorance pervades (yup i said ignorance) especially young minded adults.

Originally Posted by DaVe E BuRnOuT

KOS you say i have no idea and im burnt out on this subject..welll Your outta your mind when You Say if anybody has a right to speak its you and your's...Sure we both got native blood in us...but because im 25% Itialian and the other 50 is a mix between German,Penn dutch,And French..I don't got a right to speak..Sorry i didn't know the 1st amendment didn't include me...And also Blackfoot and cherokee are northeast/eastcost native americans..so you being spanish...if anything you really have no right to talk...Cas facts are your people robbed the aztecs...so being that only half your people got a right to speak...and you say u want a chance..believe it or not whites got it worse...Cas discrimination of color is illegal...So if you apply then chances are better for you to get a job....Mabe not in all cases..shit prolly alot but facts are it still happens...So when you got a clue DoLLa At Me..Cas what u had to say just says if there was a race war u'd pick a side..Me id Create my own...With every calture Who Don't Feel Racism isn't an issue to them...And im sure theres more of us then there are of you....

i swear i said more than that line to you... and that line i said was only to negate the line that you said because stating percentages of who you are is bull. and by stating the spanish in me i was proving that i am the NATIVE, SLAVE, and MASTER... everyone who claims THEY are true american, so indeed my blood could speak for all sides(fuck the spanish side but ive learned to live with it)... all contridictory, i just thought throwing your indian out was irrelivant and would run this off base just so your word could gain credit. inwhich it did. ur still burnt out. lmao


i could never take these blast at jackson and sharpton to serious because i cant help to think how much W.E.B. DuBois had to here this shit and kept rollin... 95 years on this earth and he was brighter than a paperbag (wonder if anyone knows the true fight and thought behind that one, cause that for sure isnt to be told to some kids over the internet)

[Christ]

Originally Posted by 8th

LOL. Please outline what 'great deeds' these 'great men' have accomplished.

Rsearch for yaself....I not going to entertain your ignorance. The funny thing is, if your really wanted to know, you would find out by researching.

But I understand your intent...And its an intent I will not entertain. How can you bash two well respected African American in this country and not know much about them?

It really speaks volumes about your character. Somethin you have to live with. You think your mad now?

Wait until we elect the first Black president. You'll be miserable....And that will be a great thing. You diserve to be. What goes around..comes around.

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[8th]

Again with your talking points. Its very obvious you have no real argument behind any of your 'beliefs.' You just repeat sound bites and mimic people who also have no idea what there talking about, & dont even have a logical argument. You call people names like 'ignorant' and 'racist' hoping to scare people out of the debate. Try arguing your ideas and beliefs not just saying things like "I cant solve ignorance" or just flat out refusing to discuss your point of view because the other person is 'to stupid' for you to even 'waste the time'. Your holier than thou attitude is very very annoying. But, im sure you dont vote, so thats a plus.

Wait until we elect the first Black president. You'll be miserable....

are you assuming im racist? If the first black president is obama, then yes i will not like that. That is because i disagree with this politics and think he will take the country in the wrong direction.

[K.O.S.]

goin off the subject w/ 8th...

Originally Posted by 8th

If the first black president is obama, then yes i will not like that. That is because i disagree with this politics and think he will take the country in the wrong direction.

lol... what direction are we goin in now. If Obama just tried to do one thing truely positive in his 4 years he'd put us in a whole different direction