Anti-Abortion/Euthanasia

[Plot]

Whos pro-life. I wanna see how many Kooks are out there

[jube jube]

Abortion- Yes
Euthanasia- No

Many people detest abortion, but if the mother dceides she cannot provide a good life for her child, or if the baby suffers from a some form of disease or mental handicap, then maybe, just maybe, the child shouldn't be born and live an unhnappy life.

As for euthanasia, I believe a life should deserve to live and doesn't deserve to die, whether for good reasons or not. Any person can seek help for any problem. They can see a doctor, a psychiatrist, etc. Killing in the name of good doesn't solve anything. You're just saying that it's okay to give up on, life.

...Wait, my thoughts coincided with each other, didn't they? Killing is bad... but what if the person isn't happy, then it's okay to end their suffering... NO, no killing, no giving up on life... What about mental defects... But killing is bad... life... death... kill... malfunction, malfunction......... mal.......................
"We are experiencing some technical difficulties right now."

-out of order jube

[8th]

im anti-abortion [with the exception of rape/incest/if the mother will die as a result of seeing out the pregnancy] That makes a 'kook' in your mind? and im pro-death penalty.

And dont even attempt to say that that is hypocritical. You cannot compare the lives of an innocent child with that of a convict murdered.

[Plot]

Texas has been responsbile for over 1 third of all executions in the U.S.. Born-again George Bush has presided over more executions in Texas than any other governor in Amercias History.
Averaging one death every 9 days while he was in power.
...
You are comparing the life of an adult human being with a concious mind, a family, a network of friends etc, etc. to an embryo, without any of those things, often before its even developed a nervous system to register pain, something that does not yet harbour the ability to suffer.

But thats not your point is it 8th, ypour saying its the potential of that innocent life to live.
But not any life, ONLY HUMAN LIFE. IT dosent matter a dot if it was an animal how much it suffers... If its a sin not to let that life live its potential, then shouldnt it be a crime every time a woman DENIES HAVING SEX? She has basically refused the potential of some life.

[Aztek]

i am pro life.....who has the right to play god?.......the mother?.....the doctor?.....those are some big shoes to fill.........if she cant provide a good life for the kid then there is a thing called adoption.....i mean most of these self endulgant ditz's get abortions so they dont mess up they figure or so it doesnt cut into they clubbin.......wtf....

uthinasia.......yes.....the punishment should fit the crime.....

[8th]

Originally Posted by PLOTTER

Texas has been responsbile for over 1 third of all executions in the U.S.. Born-again George Bush has presided over more executions in Texas than any other governor in Amercias History.
Averaging one death every 9 days while he was in power.

and? we execute dangerous criminals that have been convicted by a jury of their peers for horrible crimes.

Originally Posted by PLOTTER

You are comparing the life of an adult human being with a concious mind, a family, a network of friends etc, etc. to an embryo, without any of those things, often before its even developed a nervous system to register pain, something that does not yet harbour the ability to suffer.

But thats not your point is it 8th, ypour saying its the potential of that innocent life to live.
But not any life, ONLY HUMAN LIFE. IT dosent matter a dot if it was an animal how much it suffers...

Im against murdering babies. Getting pregnant is a decision. If your not willing, ready or able to take care of a baby, dont have one. Use protection, or, i know its insane, but abstinence is a possibility. IMO you dont have the right to murder a baby because 'your not ready.' If you are not ready or able to take care of the baby, give it up for adoption. There are a huge number of familys waiting in line to adopt a baby. Caring people that WANT to give a baby a good home.

Originally Posted by PLOTTER

If its a sin not to let that life live its potential, then shouldnt it be a crime every time a woman DENIES HAVING SEX? She has basically refused the potential of some life.

thats nonsensical, ridiculous comparison.

[jube jube]

I'm pro life for the most part, but abortion is not entirely a bad thing in my opinion. The mother created the life, so she does have a considerable amount of power in the child's life. Besides, with 6 billion+ people in the world, we really don't need anymore for now.

-jubilee

[Simagine]

I'm pro both of them, if your suffering or are in a vegetive state and give the authorisation why shouldn't you be able to rest in peace. Same goes when you have been in a coma for several years and wont wake up. I would rather die than to live on in agony for the rest of my being.

[Plot]

here here.


Euthanasia for those that are unsure..
Is assisted suicide for those whos lves are in unhealtly states.
Exaple: an old man whos got cancer & is slowly suffering whilkst rotting away in hospital.
Euthanasia is not the death penalty.

You make some good points there 8th, whilst I may not be agreeing with your opinion.

[8th]

that was a more reasonable response then i expected.

[efgeesus]

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Originally Posted by PLOTTER

Texas has been responsbile for over 1 third of all executions in the U.S.. Born-again George Bush has presided over more executions in Texas than any other governor in Amercias History.
Averaging one death every 9 days while he was in power.
...
You are comparing the life of an adult human being with a concious mind, a family, a network of friends etc, etc. to an embryo, without any of those things, often before its even developed a nervous system to register pain, something that does not yet harbour the ability to suffer.

But thats not your point is it 8th, ypour saying its the potential of that innocent life to live.
But not any life, ONLY HUMAN LIFE. IT dosent matter a dot if it was an animal how much it suffers... If its a sin not to let that life live its potential, then shouldnt it be a crime every time a woman DENIES HAVING SEX? She has basically refused the potential of some life.

^realness, interesting debate

i'm all for abortion

the world is overpopulated
there's far too many people having kids when they shouldn't, impoverished parents, young mothers, single mothers, the god fearing mindless, anti-abortion types

it's often the very people who arent capable of bringing up a kid properly that end up having them
if you cannot provide for the kid in terms of support and guidance, forget the baby

euthanasia, now thats tricky

but if someone is in desperate pain and everyday is such a struggle that suicide is the only thing to ease it, then they should be able to make that decision

it gets comlicated when ppl are in comas though due them unable to express their feeling

the ones i feel for are the ones who are not able physically to do it themselves despite the overwhelming urge

if i was stuck in a vegetative state i'd be as good as dead
except rather than be gone, i'd be living , putting a drain on the people around me and the hospital/medical resources

Originally Posted by 8th

Im against murdering babies. Getting pregnant is a decision. If your not willing, ready or able to take care of a baby, dont have one. Use protection, or, i know its insane, but abstinence is a possibility. IMO you dont have the right to murder a baby because 'your not ready.' If you are not ready or able to take care of the baby, give it up for adoption. There are a huge number of familys waiting in line to adopt a baby. Caring people that WANT to give a baby a good home.


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see thats where you are wrong

an abortion does not 'kill a baby'

the fetus in it's early stages, is not a baby, it's cells

anti-abortion groups love to push this you're killing a baby line
it's propaganda

granted some late abortions (21 weeks?) do border on when is the fetus a lifelike form

as for the adoption tip, there are shit loads of foster kids around, more than enough i'm sure
the lives some of them have is fucked up massively, getting moved around from home to home, never havin a stable environment etc etc
doesn't sound like much of a life to me

[8th]

Originally Posted by efgeesus

it's often the very people who arent capable of bringing up a kid properly that end up having them
if you cannot provide for the kid in terms of support and guidance, forget the baby

Then dont have a baby. You act as if its not a choice. Use protection or dont have sex. Everyone makes decisions, and you live with your decisions. And how you said 'forget the baby' sounds very VERY cold and uncaring. i thought you good liberals where compassionate?

Originally Posted by efgeesus

see thats where you are wrong

an abortion does not 'kill a baby'

the fetus in it's early stages, is not a baby, it's cells

anti-abortion groups love to push this you're killing a baby line
it's propaganda

In my opinion life begins at conception. You cannot prove either way when the cells form a 'life', when a child feels pain, etc. Its not propaganda, its mine, and MANY others, belief.

Originally Posted by efgeesus

as for the adoption tip, there are shit loads of foster kids around, more than enough i'm sure
the lives some of them have is fucked up massively, getting moved around from home to home, never havin a stable environment etc etc
doesn't sound like much of a life to me

so...they'd be better off dead? Thats really your argument? You have the wait on a line in alot of cases to adopt a child. There are many loving familys that want to adopt a child. Of course some kids will be moved around, and some will be put in sub-excellent foster conditions, such is life.

Again, if you cannot afford, dont want, cant handle, etc. a child, THEN DONT HAVE ONE. I understand mistakes happen, but you have to live with your mistakes. Dont murder a baby because having a kid would just really cut into your partying time.

[GhettoDavyHavok]

Well, even though I hate the fact that everyone keeps making babies and building more into the world. I also hate it when women can't take care of the baby because they too damn broke, or they're teenagers who have to mess around and then wonder why they got pregnant (if the condom breaks or birth control fails). Then they dump the child somewhere else, abort it, try to put it in the trash for it to die when abortion should've been made if you were going to plan to do that, or they take it to the fire station to keep and then build up more adoption needed population. I don't agree with abortion though. Yeah, rape can be a thing (I am debating whether if that it right or wrong to me), or income problems, or whatever the hell it is. But I have to say is that if you have sex, it is your responsibility and knowledge to know that you have a chance of getting pregnant, protection or not. Especially, teenagers who go have sex, but don't want a baby. Yes, it can be hard to take care of one financially and shit, but I think (even though population grows) that if you're pregnant, I think you should more likley to try to take care of it. It's your damn fault you had to go sleep with someone. If you really can't, just let someone adopt the damn thing. I don't agree with abortion totally. Like I say, rape can be a thing, but getting an abortion because you're irresponsible, come on now. Yeah, and if a woman gets an abortion, it is likely they get depressed because they had doctors kill something in you that probably could've lived. I think people just need to control themselves more with the sex and it would be a better way not to get a child so you don't have to add to population build-up or get an abortion. If you're that damn horny, just do oral sex or get out the porno mag and have sex with yourself. Either way. Just PLEASE try to avoid intercourse contact. There are other ways of pleasure besides intercourse if you're that damn desperate to do it.

[Phade]

One of the points no-one touched on is that in a lot of places where abortion isn't legal it doesn't deter all women from abortions. It just means a lot of them have very badly done illegal abortions which can often result in infections and death, or at least infertility. So another way to look at it would be to say would you rather have it safe and legally done and risk the possibilty of more aborted pregnancies, or illegally done and not only causing potential fatalities to women but putting serious money inside very dodgy characters' pockets?
Personally I don't have a strong view because I'm not a woman and I'm not the one who has to go through 9 month pregnancy and labour. It's a tough one, but I sway towards the view saying if you don't believe in abortion, don't have one...it doesn't mean you can force your own personal beliefs about when life starts on someone else and tell them what they can do with their own body.

[IllLiterature]

Im pro choice for both

if im in pain and everyday is torture where im locked in a hospital room suffering take me out

as for abortion i will say i dont neccesarily totally agree with it and believe that with all the methods of birth control available today.. the pill.. the shot.. the day-after pill.. condoms.. the old pull out method.. thats its pathetic how many women get "accidentally" pregnant

HOWEVER.. i do agree that is a choice that should be available to them because its not the worlds decision to make.. its the womans and/or mans choice.. i do believe men should have more say in it than they do but thats another arguement for another day

so yes.. leave it up to the person involved and quit meddling.. part of the worlds problem today is everyones so worried if everyone else is living the way they think is right..quite frankly most of it is noones damn business