Abortion -vs- Right to Life ???

[8th]

Originally Posted by cleopatra

that's totally ignorant.Sure sum women exagerate and take risks by having unprotected sex then get abortions...and do it again and again.I know it's not right but women still have the right to decide to keep it or not.

That is amazingly horrible. 'Sure some women repeatedly have unprotected sex, and then murder their babies because it would inconvenience them. but who are we to stop them' Are you kidding me? You pro-abortion people try to make it seem as if your concerned for the well being of the mother. What about the well being of the child they murdered?

Originally Posted by cleopatra

Take me for example:I don't wanna get married and have kids.I protect myself but an accident could happen.Are you saying that just because I don't want kids then I should not have sex?

Im saying that you should understand the risks. Protecting yourself is obviously not bulletproof. You may catch a STD, or you may become pregnant, etc. But if an accident does happen, that doesnt give you the right to murder a child.

Originally Posted by cleopatra

And what about those raped women...or girls getting pregnant by incest? Do you think that they should be forced to have the kid?

Those are the ONLY two times when it is acceptable.

[RCQ]

Ok what if you had a daughter and she was raped?

I'm sure you'd definitely make her have a abortion.

[Royal Rapptress]

Well this is a little heated but I'm just going to say that MURDER of a child under ANY circumstances is wrong. Even if the child is a rape baby or incest baby or predicted retard etc...and yes if my daughter were under any of those circumstances I'd support her if she chose not to have it but that still doens't make it right. I put it to you like this...

I was 18 and in my freshman year of college when I became pregnant with my daughter and the first thing that popped into my head was "abortion". I mean it was like I could just sweep it all under the rug and move on with more caution the next go round. But as I pondered my options a special came on PBS about abortions and it was so graphic in imagery of how the child is "exterminated"-for lack of a better word. It brought tears to my eyes...it was horrible.

But what stuck out in my head the most...beyond the gruesome images was footage of a protest where this woman had this sign and it read:
*God please send us someone to cure cancer...- I DID BUT YOU ABORTED HIM.
*God please send us someone to cure AIDS...- I DID BUT YOU ABORTED HER.
*God please send someone to bring world peace...- I DID BUT YOU ABORTED HIM.

And the list just went on and on and on. That really made me think about the fact that it's not just a burden that you are releiving yourself of...it's a person that you are denying the right to become the worlds next hope. So what if that child is HIV or AIDS positive...they might be the one to come up with a cure because of their situation.

And using the rape/incest card is irrelevant IMO..nowadys if you are raped they have a pill (free of charge to the victims) that you can take within a weeks time of the incident that stops conception before the zygote becomes a fetus. Most women/girls are getting abortions because they slipped up...nuttin but the truth!

[cleopatra]

Originally Posted by 8th

That is amazingly horrible. 'Sure some women repeatedly have unprotected sex, and then murder their babies because it would inconvenience them. but who are we to stop them' Are you kidding me? You pro-abortion people try to make it seem as if your concerned for the well being of the mother. What about the well being of the child they murdered?

Pleeeeeeeeeeease.You anti-abortion people keep on bragging about the importance of human life, about how wrong it is to kill a foetus, making a big deal out of it.But yall keep on polluting the planet like if there was no tomorrow.Yall over populating the planet but at the same time yall don't even give a fuck about the planet.That don't even make sense.Basically yall saying: ''Let's make kids, but fuck their future...I don't care if my children and grand-children gonna live in a shitty world''.

I seriously don't even buy that bullshit about yall beeing concerned about the well beeing of your children.The only thing yall concerned about is YOUR well beeing, having children is a possession, just to make like everyone and an insurance for your old days.

Bunch of hypocrits acting like yall care about humanity.I dont care, we are lost and there is no point of procreating anymore.Lmao @ people putting human life on a piedestral.We are useless, and one dead foetus won't make any harm.

[Royal Rapptress]

Originally Posted by cleopatra

Bunch of hypocrits acting like yall care about humanity.I dont care, we are lost and there is no point of procreating anymore.Lmao @ people putting human life on a piedestral.We are useless, and one dead foetus won't make any harm.

If I hand you an asp will you quit putting yourlife on a pedestal and finish the job!lol

But seriously you're here aren't you? Able to say how you feel about whatever you want...so why should every human being have the same right? The world doesn't have to be perfect to have kids...heck neither do the parents...NOTHING is perfect in this world. But people make changes everyday...people who weren't aborted. I'm the future of my parents and I make a difference in childrens lives everyday by being their teacher when they come to school. Someone taught you (I assume) and it's up to you to use what you have learned to make a difference. If you are pro abortion, fine that's your choice...but to say that human life isn't worth the attention or effort is heartless.

[cleopatra]

Originally Posted by Royal Rapptress

If I hand you an asp will you quit putting yourlife on a pedestal and finish the job!lol

But seriously you're here aren't you? Able to say how you feel about whatever you want...so why should every human being have the same right? The world doesn't have to be perfect to have kids...heck neither do the parents...NOTHING is perfect in this world. But people make changes everyday...people who weren't aborted. I'm the future of my parents and I make a difference in childrens lives everyday by being their teacher when they come to school. Someone taught you (I assume) and it's up to you to use what you have learned to make a difference. If you are pro abortion, fine that's your choice...but to say that human life isn't worth the attention or effort is heartless.

lol @ ''make a difference''. It will always be the same bullshit.Teach kids what? That humans and the world are disgusting? Sorry but I don't see the use of it.

and no, to say that human life isn't worth the attention is not heartless, it's just realistic.

Once again SMH @ hypocrits like you that drive cars, and pollute the planet...but think it's wrong to kill a foetus.Shit just doesn't add up.Why care so much about one life but not care about the planet and it's whole population?Wake up and stop living in your little bubble.

[Royal Rapptress]

Originally Posted by cleopatra

lol @ ''make a difference''. It will always be the same bullshit.Teach kids what?

Ummm...lets see..teach kids how to read and write so they can post on message boards with intelligence. How ironic. If no one bothered to teach you you'd be even moreignorant than your posts on here are.

Originally Posted by cleopatra

That humans and the world are disgusting?

Noo..that humans AREN'T perfect and that we continually need new and fresh minds to find better ways to co exist.

Originally Posted by cleopatra

and no, to say that human life isn't worth the attention is not heartless, it's just realistic.

Maybe that's the reality on your little pyramid. You don't seem to think your life is worthless. And we're the hypocrites?lol

Originally Posted by cleopatra

Once again SMH @ hypocrits like you that drive cars, and pollute the planet...but think it's wrong to kill a foetus.Shit just doesn't add up.Why care so much about one life but not care about the planet and it's whole population?Wake up and stop living in your little bubble.

First of all lets get the spelling of FETUS correct.ROL We have to make a living with what we are given. I'm not a rocket scientist so no I don't have a solution to car pollution...but maybe one of my kids or the kids I teach will. But if I don't make the effort NO ONE in my life will. And how do you know that I don't drive a hydrogen vehicle that only produces water as waste?? You know nothing about me to call me a hypocrite. Doing what you have to do to survive doens't mean you don't care it just means you are working with what you have in hopes of better days coming with more people using what they have to make improvements. I guess people should just live in a cave and not have a means of transportation to get to a job to feed themselves??SMH How old are you like 12??

Human life is only worthless if we ourselves exist as worthless creatures. But as we continue to make advancements we better ourselves every day.

[cleopatra]

Ummm...lets see..teach kids how to read and write so they can post on message boards with intelligence. How ironic. If no one bothered to teach you you'd be even moreignorant than your posts on here are.

Lmao @ your little sheep ass calling me ignorant just cause i have a different way of thinking.Try thinking outside of the box just once, you may discover interesting things.

Noo..that humans AREN'T perfect and that we continually need new and fresh minds to find better ways to co exist.

bullshit.no one is trying to find better way to co exist.Your naivety is touching.
Money rules, if you don't know this yet...you lost.

Maybe that's the reality on your little pyramid. You don't seem to think your life is worthless. And we're the hypocrites?lol

When did i said my life was not worthless? Once again, stop thinking like a sheep.

First of all lets get the spelling of FETUS correct.ROL

English is not my first language so get used to my mistakes.

And how do you know that I don't drive a hydrogen vehicle that only produces water as waste??

cause 99.9999% of people don't.I know you're a sheep so i assumed you was in the 99%

You know nothing about me to call me a hypocrite. Doing what you have to do to survive doens't mean you don't care it just means you are working with what you have in hopes of better days coming with more people using what they have to make improvements. I guess people should just live in a cave and not have a means of transportation to get to a job to feed themselves??SMH How old are you like 12??

Yes we are ALL hypocrits.You are, I am...we all are but those pretending they care but don't do shit are worst.

Your comment about transportation just proves that you didn't get my point.Go read my previous posts, and say sum relevant and i will answer back.

Resumé of my point:People are hypocrits.They act like human life is important to them, with their idealistic views about how bad it is to kill a fetus.But they don't give a shit about their environment...the world they want their children to live in.

When birds get ready to have kids, they prepare a nest with caution, and will do everything in their power to provide the best quality nest/environment.they will not lay their eggs in a nest of crap, a dump, trash...
The human is the only creature that don't give a fuck about it's progeniture and is down with their children living in crap.

If one of you anti-abortion dumbasses comes in here and says that he/she does EVERYTHING in his power to not pollute the world, does petitions, campaigns, and respects the planet ALL THE TIME...then i will shut the fuck up and agree withhis logic.
But for now I'm assuming that this person is not present, so I call bullshit on every anti-abortion person in here.

[Royal Rapptress]

Originally Posted by cleopatra

When did i said my life was not worthless? Once again, stop thinking like a sheep.

Kill yourself then if it's so bad here on planet earth!lol

Originally Posted by cleopatra

cause 99.9999% of people don't.I know you're a sheep so i assumed you was in the 99%

Since english is second language for you lemme put you up on a saying we have: When you assume...you make an Ass of U and Me...this time it was just you though!lol

Originally Posted by cleopatra

Yes we are ALL hypocrits.You are, I am...we all are but those pretending they care but don't do shit are worst.

Speak for yourself!

Originally Posted by cleopatra

Your comment about transportation just proves that you didn't get my point.Go read my previous posts, and say sum relevant and i will answer back.

No it proves that you make your "point" like a child.lol

Originally Posted by cleopatra

Resumé of my point:People are hypocrits.They act like human life is important to them, with their idealistic views about how bad it is to kill a fetus.But they don't give a shit about their environment...the world they want their children to live in.

How can you put ALL the people in this world in ONE catagory. That's what we call stereotyping, which is an ignorant narrow minded form of discrimination.

Originally Posted by cleopatra

When birds get ready to have kids, they prepare a nest with caution, and will do everything in their power to provide the best quality nest/environment.they will not lay their eggs in a nest of crap, a dump, trash...
The human is the only creature that don't give a fuck about it's progeniture and is down with their children living in crap.

Even with pollution the world isn't crap. Your are still breathing aren't you??lol You still eat and drink and remain alive.lol And going to work and providing income for a house and food and clothes and education for the child is providing the best quality environment. It's the act of not driving a car on the reason that it pollutes and therefore not going to work and forcing your child to go without food and shelter and clothing that would be considered not providing the best quality environment. Charity starts at home. If you can't take care of your own home how can you save the world?lol

Originally Posted by cleopatra

If one of you anti-abortion dumbasses comes in here and says that he/she does EVERYTHING in his power to not pollute the world, does petitions, campaigns, and respects the planet ALL THE TIME...then i will shut the fuck up and agree withhis logic.
But for now I'm assuming that this person is not present, so I call bullshit on every anti-abortion person in here.

I do EVERYTHING in my power to not pollute the world, I do petitions, campaigns, and respects the planet ALL THE TIME...

Now will you shut up?!

[cleopatra]

Kill yourself then if it's so bad here on planet earth!lol

I would like to.The only reason I don't do it is that I don't want to make my family sad.

Since english is second language for you lemme put you up on a saying we have: When you assume...you make an Ass of U and Me...this time it was just you though!lol

Ok so you're saying I was wrong, that you are driving a non-polluting car? I call bullshit on that one too lol

How can you put ALL the people in this world in ONE catagory.


That's what we call stereotyping, which is an ignorant narrow minded form of discrimination.

How would i be discriminating if i say all people are the same.You just dont make sense haha you just put your feet in your mouth with that one lmao

Even with pollution the world isn't crap. Your are still breathing aren't you??lol You still eat and drink and remain alive.lol And going to work and providing income for a house and food and clothes and education for the child is providing the best quality environment

.

No it's not.It's all a big illusion, something you wanna beleive.But the truth is that yourr kids gonna live in crap...especially if yall keep on polluting, imagine what its gonna be like in 50 years?I dont even wanna be there.

It's the act of not driving a car on the reason that it pollutes and therefore not going to work and forcing your child to go without food and shelter and clothing that would be considered not providing the best quality environment. Charity starts at home. If you can't take care of your own home how can you save the world?lol

You just dont get it.There is NOTHING to do now.We reached the point of non-return.I dont expect no one to stop driving cars and polluting.it's too late, all i'm saying is that i refuse to give birth to kids in crap.

I do EVERYTHING in my power to not pollute the world, I do petitions, campaigns, and respects the planet ALL THE TIME...

Now will you shut up?!

No I won't cause you're lying.You just proved me right when i called you hypocrit.Thank YOU!!!

[Royal Rapptress]

View Post 07-26-2007, 05:33 PM

This message is hidden because cleopatra is on your ignore list.

:Yawn: Your parents should have aborted you!LOL

[8th]

well this has certainly degenerated from a constructive debate. I only have two things to say:

Queen: Welcome back. Long time no argue. Stick around this time.

Cleopatra: You are a bad person, IMO. That is all.


Now please stop the bickering amongst yourselves. Debating real points is fine, but there is no need for telling the other person to kill themselves, or calling people sheep because they disagree with you. You can disagree without being disagreeable.

[Royal Rapptress]

I know 8th...when you argue with a fool...people froma distance can't tell who's who. I feel ashamed to have argued with that fool!lol

[avenger hope]

lol @ all the arguments against abortion are from guys

please. all the males that responded to this thread against abortion, sit the fuck down. unless you're a woman, you have NO RIGHT to say anything about this subject.

i've had an abortion. it happened because we weren't careful and i didn't realize i was pregnant and wasn't able to use an emergency contraceptive pill.

i'm not a bad person.

i'm not ready to have a kid. i'm not ready to go through the birthing process, i have a weak body and i definitely wouldn't have been able to have the kid without getting really ill and permanently fucking up my body. my doctor told me if i would've had the kid, i would've had irreversable damages done to my body and would probably still be in the hospital right now & unable to work/go to school.

you guys are making it sound like ppl don't fuck up. we're humans, after all. everyone makes a mistake, and unsafe sex is one of them.

i don't think abortion should be used as a method of birth control, that's completely stupid.

but if you have unsafe sex ONCE and you get pregnant, or if the condom breaks, or the birthcontrol didn't work, or rape, then yeah it's definetly the woman's option to choose whether or not she wants to/is able to have the child.

[Royal Rapptress]

Originally Posted by avenger hope

i don't think abortion should be used as a method of birth control, that's completely stupid.

but if you have unsafe sex ONCE and you get pregnant, or if the condom breaks, or the birthcontrol didn't work, or rape, then yeah it's definetly the woman's option to choose whether or not she wants to/is able to have the child.

But that's the thing...are you saying there should be stipulations? I feel that either it's wrong or it's right...you can't really say "in this case it's right...in this case it's wrong"...who's the judge and deviate between the circumstances?? Like I said before, if my daughter were in any of those situations (rape, potential retard/birth defect kid, incest etc) I'd support her if she decided to abort because we all should have the right to choose our own paths, but I don't think that it's right to murder ANY child. I'd die for mine...so if doc said I might not make it then so be it...their's nothing more important than my childs life.

I just think that because you don't see the face or hear the cries it makes it so easy to do it cause that's the only difference between aborting and tossing your kid in a trash can after you have in a Burger King bathroom floor, or stab it to death, or suffocate it...if you see the way those aborted babies look it's just as horrific.

On that documentary I saw on PBS it said that 60% of women who have abortions contemplate suicide. True we all make mistakes...but the mistake was having sex before marriage...not the conception of the child..the body was just doin what it's supposed to do when sperm meets egg. Why should the child suffer for the sin of the parents?? If you aren't ready to have a child then don't have sex.